tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post8288992573034841861..comments2024-03-19T08:40:36.481+11:00Comments on Life with Aspergers: Jobs for Aspies; Project ManagementGavin Bollardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13833941398375568706noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-37917435918380997612023-04-14T02:43:55.785+10:002023-04-14T02:43:55.785+10:00hell ya! I am female with ASD in project managemen...hell ya! I am female with ASD in project management and what you have described applies to me whole heartedly. The hardest part for me is in fact the social aspect, but I outsource a lot of it by empowering members on the team to think of themselves and act as leaders. Basically I am the woman behind the curtain calling shots, and that is cool with me lol. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-32826242535332865212022-02-17T12:43:27.903+11:002022-02-17T12:43:27.903+11:00I'm a smart, ASD woman who's also a certif...I'm a smart, ASD woman who's also a certified Project Management Professional (PMP)* with a Master's degree. I have been a high-level project manager (PM) for the last 15 years (as well as a PM instructor) and I enjoy it. Ditto what @Anonymous on 5/16/19 at 11:22 PM said about being able to see patterns or the end product that others can't see. I get presented with a project and pretty much immediately see how it will lay out, every detail, and all of the people and pieces needed to complete the project. A LOT of other people don't have that mapping/pattern ability and it makes them uncomfortable that I do. I now try to keep my abilities toned down and coach them along (help them see it for themselves instead of telling it to them). <br /><br />I'm fine with meetings with people – I joke that I’m an extroverted introvert; I recharge by being quiet and I like quiet focus-time, but I’m also talkative and love to explain things to people and get into details. So, project meetings that are purpose-driven can be satisfying. What's hard is taking the time to NOT be so purpose driven when we have things to do. It can bother NTs when you want to focus on the issue or task at hand without focusing on them and their feelings and position in the process. <br /><br />I recently made an extremely difficult change decision. I left a great job to accept a career growth opportunity. Learning the new work culture has been challenging. <br /><br />My previous employer (11 years), was a fast-paced environment where I had a lot of agency to engage stakeholders as needed then move forward with getting the job done, and keeping all parties informed appropriately along the way (I liken it to conducting an orchestra). The culture was basically "get things done now," "we're all on board," "nothing's personal," and "fail fast." That role intersected with IT and other like-minded, task-focused types.<br /><br />The new job is with mostly senior business administration staff and a lot of very long-time employees in a government-office/lifer setting. The culture is VERY slow and consensus-based. Everyone’s a sensitive stakeholder and way more meetings than needed have to happen to assuage sensitivities. The irony is they hired me to get stuff done (because I’m a rockstar), but they don’t like how I do it (by being work-focused), so now they’ve asked me to change my style, and I’m less effective. Maybe there’s a connection (sarcasm).<br /><br />Like many with ASD, I'm a direct communicator who has no ability for subtext, manipulation, or subterfuge (or facial recognition). I'm a nice, pleasant, cheerful & sometimes comical person (to be non-threatening) but I still freak out NTs because I say what I mean. I'm not rude, but I'm also not going to look at something terrible not say what's terrible about it. I don't actually say "this is terrible," but I do point out all the things that need to be fixed because they’re so glaringly OBVIOUS. I now try to do it in a passive way to make the NTs feel better. <br /><br />So, getting used to sub-par work being acceptable due to lack of attention to detail because no one wants to point out what's wrong because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings is also a challenge for me. Frankly, I think that's stupid on many levels, but it's the culture, so I'm learning to bite my tongue and try to "suggest" things or ask them "if they would be open to" or "did they consider,” or “maybe we could try…” Pppsh. Do or do not. Yada Yoda.<br /><br />*A side note on the PMP: The Project Management Professional (PMP) exam is stressful and HARD. I didn't pass the 1st or 2nd times (you get three tries in a year before you have to re-apply. I wasn’t able to pass until I went all-in the 3rd and final time where I gave up masking and stimmed like crazy, gestured, talked to myself (I'm a verbal processor), and generally acted "weird" (it is a proctored exam and the proctor remarked on my strange behavior afterward).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-16719828926176752542019-05-16T23:22:35.057+10:002019-05-16T23:22:35.057+10:00I’ve been a very successful IT project manager for...I’ve been a very successful IT project manager for 20 years. Aspies can definitely have a great career as a project manager. I would second the idea that the socialization is the most difficult aspect of the role. Another is the ability to see what other people can’t see yet, like if a systems integration will or won’t work very early on, if a complex matrixed project will be drought with problems, or if data elements in a system can be combined to calculate values or not. Others argue with me and then later realize I was right from the beginning. I see patterns they can’t see, or I can visualize the end products when others can’t grasp them yet. One of my biggest challenges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-56876757367977389652013-07-02T07:49:15.418+10:002013-07-02T07:49:15.418+10:00I'm a recently diagnosed Aspie, and have been ...I'm a recently diagnosed Aspie, and have been working very successfully as a Project Manager on a self-employed basis for more than 10 years. I find the social/stakeholder management part to be the most challenging, but forcing myself to do that part of the job myself does help me to adapt (albeit slowly!) to dealing with neurotypicals. Working as a woman in an entirely male (technical) environment helps, I think. I've always identified more closely to what I consider to be more 'male' thought patterns and behaviours. <br />I have started to disclose to some people I work with, but mostly people just think I'm quirky. <br />Project management appeals to my need for order and logic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-76682276975841335932013-05-28T07:47:45.579+10:002013-05-28T07:47:45.579+10:00I agree that project management would fit asperger...I agree that project management would fit aspergers types. The social interaction is not so much an issue if the interactions are purpose driven. I have trouble bringing up something like "who took my pen" not "why do we have four offices doing the same thing". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-47297482386004419582013-04-18T18:20:53.356+10:002013-04-18T18:20:53.356+10:00Rightly said friend the above points you have shar...Rightly said friend the above points you have shared with me tends to lead the perfect project management.Your post is so interesting that i never stop my self to share it with one of my friend who is being a project manger of an production house.Project managementhttp://www.bizztrax.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-32925455312247408442013-04-04T09:18:05.341+11:002013-04-04T09:18:05.341+11:00I am an aspie and also a superstar project manager...I am an aspie and also a superstar project manager. And I approve this message.<br /><br />I think it depends though. Part of my asperger's is to be precise and organized. My son, on the other hand, also an aspie is neither precise or organized. <br /><br />The ability to conceptualize large complex systems is a plus, smarts is a plus, the capacity to store large amounts of 'useless' information on obscure topics is also a plus (especially in IT). <br /><br />To Anonymous's point, being a PM does require a bit of socialization and I often have to be the motivator of groups of people, which does not come easily or naturally to me. I am lucky that my co-workers understand my 'quirks' and see past them to recognize the value in my intelligence and obscene organizational skills. Carriehttp://genxaspiemomma.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-78434923907729575702013-03-26T08:12:40.420+11:002013-03-26T08:12:40.420+11:00Hi,I am happy to your all good post.Successful Pro...Hi,I am happy to your all good post.Successful <a href="www.luxereverie.com" rel="nofollow">Project Management</a> Experience from good practice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-19576006110543288442013-03-18T15:14:02.645+11:002013-03-18T15:14:02.645+11:00To anonymous, could maybe he hep out at a butterfl...To anonymous, could maybe he hep out at a butterfly conservatory or better yet could u get a grant to start a community gardens conservatory -small one that is? Just a thought.... bugs r so important to gardens, I worked in a plant nursery, it was essential to know earth worms madethe soil better, marigolds wards off most bad bugs, and that praying mantis and lady bugs were good to buy and put in gardens to eat a big array of bad bugs... he could grow these b7gs and sell them to gardeners... I buy them every year and they workmbetter than pestcides...cept permytherine is good it is a marigold derivitive, u can use it near live stock even.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09377446295202276382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-7925656079732843472013-03-18T14:53:49.249+11:002013-03-18T14:53:49.249+11:00I liked working in a plant nursery once... I reall...I liked working in a plant nursery once... I really liked cleaning motel rooms...not very lucrtative or classy, but no one bothered me... I made a rather good cna because I worked the night shift n followed the rules to the "T" and my patients were well taken cared of. I came down w Multiple sclerosis and stay home now and take full time care of my severely disabled autistc son.... I sew and make things to sell on etsy... I like helping people a lot, but dont like being too bothered by them... just thought id share:)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09377446295202276382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-79121061989152379182013-03-15T18:29:59.042+11:002013-03-15T18:29:59.042+11:00ResearchResearchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-19234779326172155262013-03-10T17:16:48.982+11:002013-03-10T17:16:48.982+11:00My son's special interest is in wildlife, part...My son's special interest is in wildlife, particularly herpetology. I have absolutely no idea what sort of job he'll be able to do since there aren't a lot jobs of that nature available. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-71421066875612785902013-03-09T19:08:07.462+11:002013-03-09T19:08:07.462+11:00Another career not many people think about for asp...Another career not many people think about for aspies is OT. Yes, it may seem this is out of left field. But, from a big picture standpoint, it makes sense given an aspie has what it takes to succeed. After all, acceptance is a big thing that a lot of aspies and their caregivers like- well... OT has it! Is it possible to have a solid future? Absolutely! I am an aspie who is a licensed OT now and am working hard to make a name for myself in the field. Lastly, there are skills that are really helpful to manage him/herself. Considering there aren't too many professional services for adults, learning the ability to manage him/herself is a big plus, especially sensory wise! Yet again, it is not for every aspie.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977097284075812594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-78684618992226464112013-03-04T09:47:52.175+11:002013-03-04T09:47:52.175+11:00I have Aspergers with ADHD co-morbid. I worked as ...I have Aspergers with ADHD co-morbid. I worked as a Core Office Tester cross-platform for Microsoft for nearly five years and often tested in three to four languages simultaneously on Mac and PC. I resigned from the company due to being harassed by a co-worker and being put through hell when my marriage fell apart and my (former) husband left me in debt up to my ears. To be honest, the work was not as creative as I wanted and needed. At companies where I'd worked in the past, I'd been able to wear many different hats.<br /><br />Microsoft limited me to what seemed to me to be the same dull routine day after long day. The DISTRACTIONS involved people and having a line manager who did not understand the reason I needed and wanted to keep my door closed. I never admitted having any form of ASD during my career. I only admitted to having ADHD, due to the fact that I was taking medication that was evidently used for this condition. The medication and my medical appointments were paid by company insurance, so it was pointless to hide the obvious.<br /><br />I was considered "very shy" and "antisocial", which probably cost me a bit in terms of raises and stock options. I'd come to Microsoft with at least fifteen years prior experience in Quality Assurance, Database Analysis and design, CGI, Desktop Publishing, Technical Writing and Editing experience. I am chaotic in my ENVIRONMENT -- not in my WORK.<br />Ashtamangalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01741033369571596026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-71260342195522755622013-03-03T07:54:37.721+11:002013-03-03T07:54:37.721+11:00Project managers need to have social skills. You ...Project managers need to have social skills. You are constantly checking in with people, following up with people, going to meetings, etc. I could see an Aspie working in IT and having a project in their narrow interest where people send them reports and they pull it together to report to their manager. Quality control? Now there's a job an Aspie could love. Detail and SOP writing. And there's not enough of them. But in my manufacturing company I would have NEVER hired an Aspie to be a program manager.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-71764159625997298842013-03-02T23:21:16.354+11:002013-03-02T23:21:16.354+11:00Lovely to see you back with new and interesting po...Lovely to see you back with new and interesting posts! Project Management sounds like a good option for those with attention problems because you can take on short term projects or longterm without being too 'locked in'. I enjoy the work for that reason alone. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-43860872197085931212013-03-01T05:44:57.017+11:002013-03-01T05:44:57.017+11:00I have the ADD side but have found a successful ca...I have the ADD side but have found a successful carreer in accounting/auditing. Most of the time I am left alone to do my work. Pays well. Some travel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-40420615847682893262013-02-27T05:56:05.664+11:002013-02-27T05:56:05.664+11:00My son who has Aspergers and ADD is majoring in In...My son who has Aspergers and ADD is majoring in Information Technology in school. With his ADD, I wouldn't have thought of project management for him ever but this past year I've seen maturity and changes in him. I could definitely see him in a project management role now whereas I never could before so who knows. He constantly amazes me!Kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02129510013013288458noreply@blogger.com