tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post4421732090699712090..comments2024-03-19T08:40:36.481+11:00Comments on Life with Aspergers: Temple Grandin's three types of Thinkers in AutismGavin Bollardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13833941398375568706noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-11340248041887686342013-11-25T07:44:36.000+11:002013-11-25T07:44:36.000+11:00Absolutely Daniela,
Asperger's isn't some...Absolutely Daniela,<br /><br />Asperger's isn't something that has a firm and finalized set of properties. We're discovering new things about it all the time.<br /><br />Personality is the combination of many things, one of which is "experience". Different experiences will always shape people differently.Gavin Bollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833941398375568706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-21342574362603400022013-11-25T04:46:18.790+11:002013-11-25T04:46:18.790+11:00Can someone have aspergers without this way of thi...Can someone have aspergers without this way of thinking? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03871877531165828006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-47419153547262976302013-06-26T12:18:32.510+10:002013-06-26T12:18:32.510+10:00The theory for the nuerotypical person is visual, ...The theory for the nuerotypical person is visual, haptic and verbal. This conceptualization of learning is ditinctive from what she means by autistic/aspergoid visual, pattern and verbal. Notice that in all three categories, the typical qualities of visual, haptic and verbal learning styles are present? That is, a pattern thinker might need to 'see' the pattern of something to learn it, and, in order to do so, he may need to figure it out hands on, by playing with its various elements. <br /><br />I think Grandin's idea is different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-49835102298049074232012-11-01T02:19:56.173+11:002012-11-01T02:19:56.173+11:00Do you remember which article Temple Gradin first ...Do you remember which article Temple Gradin first posted this theory in? THANKS!BigDragonMamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07143841595725500926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-13310705604162273922012-06-13T06:18:56.548+10:002012-06-13T06:18:56.548+10:00I just watched Temple Grandin the movie and it led...I just watched Temple Grandin the movie and it led me to watch her TED video on different types of thinking. I too made the parallel between being a good parent and knowing that people see and process the world differently. I wrote at thing about it here<br />http://life-with-aspergers.blogspot.ca/2011/08/temple-grandins-three-types-of-thinkers.html<br /><br />At any rate, labels can be restricting but for me, the label made me feel 'normal'. After wondering why I just couldn't do the things everyone else did in school (like read music, memorize history textbooks, learn what people told me in lectures without having to go back over it in my own way at home) and then trying to resolve that with getting almost 100% in all math tests, being able to make up songs that I could hear in my head, and having the ability to create connections between things that aren't usually related). These thought distinctions really helped me know that I wasn't an 'oddity' - I was just approaching learning differently. I could have used some of that validation earlier on in school. <br /><br />And now comes the task of finding out how my children process the world! The fun never ends...Julie Wallbridge (feminist farmer's wife)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07470432081002846531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-75142325962807858382011-09-28T08:11:59.858+10:002011-09-28T08:11:59.858+10:00Barbara,
You don't need my permission to link ...Barbara,<br />You don't need my permission to link to any of my articles (only to reprint).<br /><br />You have my permission anyway.Gavin Bollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833941398375568706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-43021840739352712162011-09-27T11:39:01.456+10:002011-09-27T11:39:01.456+10:00Gavin I found this article to be very helpful for ...Gavin I found this article to be very helpful for me as an educator. Its also refreshing to hear you say that lables have an important place when assessing a learners needs. I would like to place a link to your article on my blog if I may: http://bodylogique.blogspot.com/<br />You have lots opf great information on here-thanks so much for your insight! ~BarbaraBarbara Ginihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05678442038436327596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-27960209347711271402011-08-10T08:17:42.474+10:002011-08-10T08:17:42.474+10:00@Susan; Yes you can repost.@Susan; Yes you can repost.Gavin Bollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833941398375568706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-80925835098180817542011-08-09T22:59:29.203+10:002011-08-09T22:59:29.203+10:00I was very happy to read this article. I have been...I was very happy to read this article. I have been trying to figure out what type of thinker I am as well. I have AS and I do think in pictures but I love words... I write all the time and I have always been able to recall things I've read with ease... Now a days not so easily due to autoimmune issues, but I wonder which category I do actually fall under. My son who has AS too, I believe falls under a Musical Thinker, my husband, under mathematical. My son has difficulty with math, but he just instinctively can play the piano. He is also a visual thinker because he is amazing with art. <br /><br />I was wondering, I have a blog on tumblr, can I repost this on my blog and give people the url to your blog? My site is:<br />http://takealeftatthemoon.tumblr.com/<br /><br />Thank you,<br />BirdSusanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10397625528867314309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-51567171419030370232011-08-09T09:15:38.225+10:002011-08-09T09:15:38.225+10:00My Aspie son falls into the visual area big time. ...My Aspie son falls into the visual area big time. He loves building things especially legos.C...https://www.blogger.com/profile/09382827565772645760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-91235884996687870342011-08-08T05:10:04.283+10:002011-08-08T05:10:04.283+10:00Thanks for this! I am aware of different learning...Thanks for this! I am aware of different learning and thinking styles and how to accommodate students with diverse styles, but it hadn't occurred to me that this really might be all there is to meeting the needs of students with autism or aspergers. It has frustrated me when told that the key to teaching students with special learning needs is simply "good teaching practices," because in that case, they *don't* have "special needs." But, perhaps it's simply a matter of needing the "volume" on some of the good teaching practices turned up a notch.<br /><br />As I've been thinking about this, it seems like getting to know the student's special interest and planning lessons specifically with that interest in mind could also be helpful. This is where teaching with special needs students in mind goes beyond good teaching practices in general. Certainly, it is helpful to get to know the interests of all students, as part of relationship building, as well as to occasionally design projects that students can customize to focus on their personal interests, in order to promote motivation and make the task more authentic. However, failing to tie a concept or lesson in to the special interest for an aspie might be enough to completely lose them, whereas it won't be for an NT.Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08857149150604195557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-51327083687344178722011-08-06T12:47:09.785+10:002011-08-06T12:47:09.785+10:00I'm a pattern thinker. I used to think I was a...I'm a pattern thinker. I used to think I was a visual thinker, but the real problem is that I just can't understand people's speech that well. They have to show me what they mean or write it down.<br /><br />I love my pattern advantage. I can solve any puzzle, be it physical, mathematical, or logical. People always give me little puzzle objects just to watch me figure them out. Haha.Amandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-40473422822213579302011-08-05T18:57:26.246+10:002011-08-05T18:57:26.246+10:00All interesting comments - can I just make an obse...All interesting comments - can I just make an observation that whatever style of thinking and/or learning people with AS have, you all seem pretty smart to me!! Also, I remember back in my uni days studying psych we learnt about 3 types of intelligence -1. book smarts (academics),2. Street smarts and 3. the ability to learn new things quickly. I think about my eldest daughter with AS and she seems to have 2 out of three of those intelligences - cant ask for much more than that...overall pretty blessed I would say. As an NT, I think I have maybe one of those....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-86557173694148133142011-08-05T00:01:43.714+10:002011-08-05T00:01:43.714+10:00I cannot help thinking that Temple's descripti...I cannot help thinking that Temple's description of pattern thinkers was shaped by her own visual thinking. The examples she gave in her talks (at least the ones I've seen) were actually *visual* patterns. I don't think in terms of visual patterns like the ones she mentioned, but I have high levels of mathematical ability, and love using pattern languages, such as regular expressions. But they are more like algebra. Hmmm, Temple said she wasn't good at algebra either, while I loved it at school.<br /><br />But I also love linguistics and reading novels.IanMKennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-21809899872106666072011-08-04T20:43:26.926+10:002011-08-04T20:43:26.926+10:00Great post. The honework for me is working out whi...Great post. The honework for me is working out which thinker type my family members are. I just asked (likely) AS hubby about the bell and he said ' i dunno, ring?' . I asked but did you see, hear it, smell it etc and he said ' i dunno, just ring'. Ive got my work cut out figuring out my young AS daughters!! Ha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-74836133874784613922011-08-04T19:55:53.735+10:002011-08-04T19:55:53.735+10:00You are mixing things a bit, I'm afraid to say...You are mixing things a bit, I'm afraid to say. Temple was talking about ways of thinking, not learning. There is a difference. <br /><br />For example, let's talk about organizing things. In itself it's not connected to any specific way of thinking. A visual thinker might organize books by color or binding, a musical thinker might organize them by size or subject and a verbal thinker in alphabetic order.<br /><br />Learning styles are somewhat connected, but still different. The three styles of learning are visual, auditory and tactile. Visual learners learn best by pictures, auditory learners listen and tactile learners must try themselves. <br />Let's take languages, an art for verbal thinkers. Visual learner learns best by looking at pictures of things with the name of the thing written beside and watching movies. Auditory listens and repeats. Tactile learns by doing things with a native speaker. <br /><br />Naturally, when it comes to autistic people, we tend to be very limited and unable to use the information unless it is adjusted to our way of thinking, and this is how the ways of thinking are useful in learning, but they are not styles or ways of learning.<br /><br />Tiina's sensory based thinking is neither quite what Temple Grandin was referring to. It's a good lead to finding out the style of learning people are comfortable with, but when it comes to the autistic thinking - as far as I understand - there is no "the bell". There are bells. Every bell ever encountered is a specific bell ;-)<br /><br />To M I'd like to say that you don't NEED to use any labels if you are not comfortable with it. I find it helpful. If you want labels, invent your own. :-)Ketutarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17817006362006690145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-49902996187382498232011-08-04T18:32:49.280+10:002011-08-04T18:32:49.280+10:00I hadn't come across Temple Grandin's thre...I hadn't come across Temple Grandin's three types before - thank you Gavin for writing about this. I've long been aware that I'm primarily a visual thinker, but had never thought about how this might tie in with the hours I spent playing with Lego as a child, or the enjoyment I get from constructing things, whether it be assembling flat-pack furniture or writing software.<br /><br />I strongly agree with you that identifying the primary way in which a person thinks is important in that it allows one to use the most effective teaching methods. For me, when studying history, maps were the key. On the other hand, when studying languages it has always been the structure of the grammar that has helped: tables of declensions and conjugations, as well as mapping words between languages and following their etymology (a <i>special interest</i> of mine).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354093815575911456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-84714760261190828682011-08-04T15:46:34.051+10:002011-08-04T15:46:34.051+10:00i think there should be a "disconnected"...i think there should be a "disconnected" category for disorganized people like me.mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570838005937684429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-25874515660798038172011-08-04T00:14:43.416+10:002011-08-04T00:14:43.416+10:00Sometimes people are critical because they are try...Sometimes people are critical because they are trying to be important.<br />I think lists and labels are artifacts of language. To get away from them, we need to get away from language as we know it. If we do that, we have to fall back on things like the Vuclan Mind Meld for communication. I don't think we are ready for that.<br />No, I'm not trying to be funny or curt. I'm trying to communcicate. Really.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02588163317389814730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4841851020927689161.post-62833014659915384012011-08-03T23:28:55.790+10:002011-08-03T23:28:55.790+10:00This Thinking-theory is not only for autistics. It...This Thinking-theory is not only for autistics. It's well known theory that can be used also for NT-persons.<br />And it includes all senses we have.<br />Easiest way to test how we are really thinking is to ask from person what is the first thing that comes to his mind when somebody says e.g. a bell.<br /><br />Some of us will see image of the bell in their mind. Some of us will hear the sound of the bell. Some of us will feel the material of the bell, some of us will smell the bell and some of us will taste the bell.Tiinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16447186088138180635noreply@blogger.com