A word of warning: This post may cover adult topics - though really nothing "juicy" so it's probably safe. You may want to read it carefully before allowing minors to look at it.
The Myths
In the last week, prompted by some "off the wall" questions, I have been reading a lot of discussions about autistic people (including "aspies") and sexuality. I am amazed at the opinions of otherwise respectable people in the medical profession. I have found a whole bunch of statements including;
- All autistic people are gay
- Most autistic people are asexual (derive no pleasure from sex).
- Autistic people are sex maniacs
Preferences
Reading a lot further afield and having discussions with other aspies makes it clear to me that aspies come in all sizes shapes and forms. Their preferences vary just as much as neurotypicals.
On Page 246 of "Asperger's Syndrome: Intervening in Schools, Clinics, and Communities" By Linda J. Baker, Lawrence A., they say;
The sexual profile of individuals with Asperger's syndrome indicates that they have sexual needs and drives comparable to those of the general population. Their attitude towards sexuality is positive. They have fantasies but lack experience, generally because interpersonal difficulties prevent easy progression into sexual relationships.
One study participant summarized the problem by saying, "situations with lover are very awkward. It seems as though my loneliness and lack of experience show on my face... Several people look at me and laugh. One can't help but feel inferior and unhappy.
In other words, their preferences vary as much as NTs but their difficulty with relationships complicates matters.
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On the asexual side...
Aside: When I first started looking up asexuality I thought it meant having the ability to procreate with yourself (ie: snails are asexual).
In humans, it doesn't mean that. It means that one derives no pleasure from sexual acts - not that they don't do it - (particularly when their partner is pressuring them) simply that they get nothing out of it.
One does not choose to be asexual, you're born that way.
People who don't have sex by choice are abstaining, not asexual.
On Page 309 of "The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome" By Tony Attwood, he states that;
Sexuality can become a special interest in terms of acquiring information and of interest in sexual diversity and activities. The desire for such relativities and sexual intimacy can be excessive, almost compulsive.
However, the partner of a man or woman with Asperger's syndrome is more likely to be concerned about the lack of sexual desire rather than an excess. The partner with Asperger's syndrome may become asexual once the or she has had children or once a couple of formally committed themselves to the relationship.
In other words, being a sex maniac may simply be because the aspie has picked up "sex" as a special interest, albeit probably a short-term one. Once the special interest has gone, the desire for sex may disappear too. Tony makes the mistake of suggesting that someone can "become asexual" but I think it's obvious what he means.
There are lots of statistics on asexuality and these give rise to the idea that aspies are asexual.
Certainly asexuality is reported in higher numbers in aspies than in the general population. These statistics can be read in two ways;
A high number of asexuals are aspies but not a high number of aspies are asexual.
The Problems of Touch
I also want cover the sensory issues associated with touch. I've spoken to many autistic people who find light touching, fingertips etc, to be irritating. I am certainly that way myself. Many aspies who have no problems with tight hugs etc, will tend to pull away if they are patted or stroked. Often itching or rubbing the place where they have been touched. This will frequently send the wrong message to their loved ones.
Conclusions
It certainly seems that the sexuality of people on the spectrum doesn't differ a great deal from the general populace with a few minor exceptions;
- Sexual activity is, as always, hampered by their lack of social skills
- People with sensory issues may have problems with touch
- Sexually active autistic people may be a little more experimental than the general public and have less understanding of boundaries.
- There is a higher number of asexual people in the autism community than in the general community but they are still very much a minority.
Comments
It's rare that I can't find information about a topic of interest, but this one is leaving me high and dry... :-)
There's a fact sheet here but it's not very detailed and there's a bit around for teens.
Probably the best book on the subject would be Asperger's Syndrome and Sexuality by Isabelle Hénault. I haven't read it but it might be worth a try - and you could probably contact the author for more details.
In my opinion though, you'll only get half the story from practitioners and you should really look to aspies themselves for answers.
There's a great site called www.WrongPlanet.net which has probably the most active aspergers forums I've seen. There's a women's section there but don't make the mistake of assuming that men can't read or answer questions posted there.
If you want a purely female answer, I'd suggest posting a thread there asking for females who are willing to correspond by PM (personal messaging) - that way it's private.
t may be my personal problem, but besides touch problems I had a strong aversion from sex itself for a long time. Well, when was 6, biology became my main focus of interest, and sexuality was a part of that - and you know, if an Aspie "lecture" starts, there are few ways to stop it... so adults around me were quite shocked, and I received LOTS of beating and other, even nastier things at home. Because of that I still react with anxiety when sex is discussed around me or when I experience sexual desire. (This only increases the desire itself, though.)
Another thing is, that I simply CAN'T let anyone touch me unless I have the required amount of trust and attraction already. (This means one-night-stands ruled out completely. Some NTs think I'm just very moral, but it's not morality, it's sheer panic.)
I've been reading your blog for a few months and thought I'd chime in about aspies and sexuality. I am Aspie living in Minnesota in the US. The touch thing is something I can relate to. When my partner touches me lightly it is irritating to me. I know that is pleasing to others, but it never has been to me and I guess I know why.
I wish there were more on this subject, because there are a lot of us on the autistic spectrum that are in realtionships or want to be in one and wonder how Aspergers and sexuality work in a relationship and in a person with Aspergers.
Good post.
While I realise all teenage boys are 'obsessed' with sexuality; I am intersted to hear of AS teenage experiences.
i am married with a loving husband but nevertheless i have the feeling of asexuality. i don't like his touch and i don't like having sex with him.
sometimes i engage with my thoughts to the sexuality topic. that means, i read book, watch videos and think in a high level about all this erotic stuff.
in this term i am able having sex with my husband. but something is very important, no orgasm. having an orgasm everything stops. no more feeling and a disgust to my husband for a very long time.
i guess, i am very complicated to the sexual subject.
I don't get the fear/ irritation at being lightly touched (although I used to when younger but in fact now desire it needing a long build up of emotional trust) but I certainly get the unabated "terror" in interactions with other people and frequently dissociate in intimate interactions with people - almost always in sexual relations - even in spite of a strong desire for sex at the beginning of relations. Because I have had anxiety / depression many years I had largely attributed the fear to this and even the possibility of having developed some kind of trauma response because of early sexual experiences.
Recent reevaluation of my repeated pattern of offending people without intent, my habit of attributing special significance to coincidences in dates and ages in my personal relationships (I wonder if Astrology shouldn't be listed as a sympton of Asperger's - LOL), my intolerance for 'insignificant' communications, my heavy reliance on the reactions of others to guage appropriate emotional responses to situations, transient obsessions, and particularly my inability to 'inhabit the moment' emotionally whilst interacting with other people has me wondering whether I shouldn't be actively seeking clarification one way or another. As Asperger's can only be managed however I'm not sure whether a diagnosis would benefit me in any way. Because of significant personal experiences with hypochondria (in loved ones) and misdiagnosis (of myself), as well as a strong belief in holistic healing, I am very cautious about self-diagnosis and compartmentalising the human condition.
So, I don't like to be touched by my wife anywhere else, except for my penis and testicles. So, if my wife "forgets" about this "rule" or "violates" this "rule", then there are consequences of less relations for us. Further, even though I skillfully perform oral upon my wife, such that she has liquid evidence of over 10 "climaxes" - the fact that she won't swallow my semen makes me feel used, betrayed, and unloved. So, what do I turn to in the way of porno - that which has scenes in which the women seem to be more loving and accepting of the men in their lives, by "swallowing" their semen. My wife doesn't seem to undersand that I'm not looking for her to always do this. If she even did it once, or once a year, I would feel as if she had some type of love for me. At present, I feel so betrayed, that I'm not so sure that our marriage can ever recover from the pain that I feel over what seems to me to be very outright rejection of me!
Aspie in New England
I feel a lot of guilt and shame over my sexuality because I don't need to feel emotional with a guy in order to want to be physical with him. But, I'm also a Christian and trying to wait for marriage. I've been told that women need romance and time to warm up. I don't need any of that. I also like certain things (performing oral sex on a man, light bondage, cum shots), and am interested in trying certain things (anal sex, spanking, costumes, heavy bondage), that seem to disgust most women. I also fear that I will disgust my future husband or scare him. When I get married, I want to have sex as often as possible, at least every day. I also masturbate frequently.
My question is, am I normal, or am I a sex maniac? Are many women with Asperger's this way? Should I change? Is it bad that I like doing certain things with guys? I am currently seeing an aspie who has had sex and who wants to wait, but I fear that I will scare him when he finds out about me.
Having only been diagnosed for a little over 2 years, I can say things in the area of romance has improved because we are able to approach things with a new understanding. My wife feels more accepted and loved even with my difficulty in communicating that non-verbally and I feel much less rebuffed and rejected when as I make an effort to communicate to her how I feel about her.
One thing that I had previously not understood is how important non-sexual physical displays of affection are to an NT and I have made a greater effort to do so. I don't think I am getting the same ejoyment out of it as an NT, but my wife is happier and that makes me happier.
Breezin sky, I relate to what you're going through. I'm an aspie man who's also a Christian, and I tell you to ask God to fill you up first. Even if our physical world seems more real right now, the consequences for sin are not worth it.
And especially not if you two already use dental dams during cunnilingus and condoms during P-I-V sex!
Refusing to take in someone else's bodily fluids isn't rejecting *that someone*, it's often rejecting *whatever STDs that someone may have received* from a previous relationship, during one-night-stand, or even being raped.
Last weekend, we went to a church concert and, while there, he placed my hand over his crotch. Nobody saw him do this but I was mortified. I have learned not to react to some of his behaviours but this was too much. All I could think was that I cannot remain in this marriage.
Is this a problem for anybody else? Does anybody have any suggestions?
Over the years I have been seeing escorts (prostitutes) and I very much enjoy the experiences. My aspieness has enabled me to become quite accomplished in the bedroom (obsession with particular sex practices). And I very much respect those ladies - I have no hang-up with using using their services. And I don't feel guilty. Quite the opposite.
My wife doesn't know but I expect she knows. However, I keep this quite separate from our family life. Your are probably wondering why we are still together .... well many reasons, one gets used to things....
Many of you will probably find the above quite disturbing.
You may be comforted to know that there are lots of other women out there like you. Your story is very similar to mine. I began masturbating frequently at a very young age and have continued to do so all my life, even during sexually active relationships. I am now in my 40's so this doesn't appear likely to change. :)
Also like you, I don't need the emotional part, romance and warming up in order to want to get physical. The emotional part is wonderful but by no means essential. My interests are very similar to yours, and I have pursued and fulfilled most of them. Honest communication about my desires has usually warded off any "surprises" to a potential partner. I've been in serious monogamous relationships with both men and women, and I've found that most of the time these desires have been well-received, especially by men. Ideally, I'd like to have sex at least once or twice a day, in a committed lifelong relationship with the love of my life.
Lastly, I've been formally diagnosed with ADD but wonder if it's actually mild Asperger's (or maybe both comorbid). I don't exhibit all of the Aspie symptoms, but some of them describe me to a T. I'm researching to see how well other people's Aspie experiences hold true for me, to help me decide whether I should request an assessment.
Now knowing as you do about my history, take my opinions as you will. I don't think you're a sex maniac, or that there is anything bad or wrong with you whatsoever. You're not victimizing or hurting anyone. And human sexuality is far more varied and changeable than religion, science, or society in general would have you believe. I am a Christian but I think most churches have lost their way, falling into a path of holier-than-thou pompous fervour and ridiculous dogma, and forgetting all about the "be kind to each other" and "love thy neighbour as thyself" parts. I say if you've ripped out the most important teachings and now it's all about judging people and telling them how "wrong" and "bad" they are for being human, there's no point in continuing to call yourself a Christian.
My advice: March to the beat of your own drum, but be savvy about it.
First, let's be honest. If you're performing oral sex on a man, and doing cum shots, then you are already having premarital sex - and unprotected sex at that. I'm sure it's enjoyable but it's not advisable, especially if your partner has not been recently tested clean. Many STIs, such as HIV, can be transmitted to the mouth. Not judging here, just keepin' it real.
Some people who choose to abstain from sex (or in this case, intercourse) until marriage, get so crazy waiting for it that they end up being in a hurry to get married. They settle for someone who's really not right for them, or they ignore the warning signs that the person is a cheater/unhealthy/abusive because their hormones are raging and they're in such a rush, and this makes for an ugly painful divorce later. Be smarter than that. Mind you, I'm not advising you to go have premarital intercourse - merely that if you start feeling that you can't wait, it's better to do that than to jump headfirst into an ill-advised marriage. In any case, you know the routine: practise safer sex, get yourselves tested, don't get a disease, don't get pregnant. Take care of yourself - you're worth it. :)
All the best to you. Sorry for the long post, hope it helps.
I have Aspergers and consider myself to be asexual.
I did however, as Attwood describes in the book quoted in the OP, attempt sexual interest only insofar as to gain a partner. Once the deal was sealed so to speak, I went right back to my asexual ways.
And while I never desired sex, I realized logically that it was necessary if I wanted to continue the relationship I was in. It is hard enough to find a man when you have Asperger's, it is entirely another thing to find a man who is also okay with not having sex. So I had sex until I realized we were in it for the long haul, then I stopped (or at least greatly decreased...If I stopped completely I would probably be back on Square 1).
I don't know if that was helpful to anyone but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed that quote pulled from Atwood - it was probably the first time I had seen my own experience described.
For the first 7 years the terms of our sex life were completely dictated by him. I submitted to what he wanted happily although some of it, looking back, was unreasonable. I could not initiate, or touch him, he required a specific series of events to happen and he was in charge. He wanted sex very often including at 4.00 every morning.
At 7 years he had a very short affair with someone who came onto him at work. Someone who gave him an STD and treated him incredibly badly. Someone who dictated the terms of their sexual engagement.
Luckily I did not contract this STD and after a lot of upset (understatement) we decided to try to repair our relationship.
But now (at 11 years) I find I just can't muster up any interest or enthusiasm for making love with a robot, and while the thought of never having a sex life again makes me want to cry it still is worth it not to have to lie there like an unfeeling log while he goes through his routine and repetoire of tricks, culminating in his orgasm the way he wants it.
if I sound bitter it is probably because I am.
He is very very good to me in a number of ways and I know he tries but the sexual part of our relationship is just such a bitter letdown.
She enjoyed sex a lot, and was always available, which I loved as I have a high sexual drive. There were a couple puzzling quirks about her, but I just attributed them to the usual variety of sexual preferences.
She didn't enjoy or seek foreplay. The first time we were about to have sex, I attempted to give her oral sex, but she stopped me and just requested intercourse. She didn't enjoy touching much, clearly disliked kissing, and never looked at me during sex, although she enjoyed observing the actual intercourse taking place "down below." She enjoyed kinky activities, never objected, and appeared to enjoy them a lot, as much as the act of sex itself. We played with light bondage and insertion of various objects, and she requested hot candle wax a couple of times.
She was very sexy and appeared to derive a pleasure from attention her and my friends and often strangers paid to that, through jokes and comments. I frequently felt sexuality was her preferred way of interacting with men, as this appeared to be the best way for her to gain attention and social status, without much luck in other ways, even though she is a very well educated and intelligent woman.
A few particularly strange behaviors really puzzled and then bothered me, and eventually led to my decision to not have a child with her, which was what she really wanted. Sadly, I realized the reasons for her eccentricities only after we broke up.
She was a very loyal and honest partner, something that I really appreciated. However, several times, in social situations she didn't even acknowledge me or greet me, including the time when I flew oversees to see her, after a work related separation of a couple of months. It really got under my skin and even though we had truly amazing and lovely time afterwards, I briefly broke up with her soon after. We got back together after I explained what bothered me and she appeared remorseful.
On another occasion, we met at a hotel bar, I arrived later and at the time she was engaged in a conversation with a man she just met. I walked over, she said hi and went back to the conversation as if I wasn't there. Quite frustrated, after a few minutes I sent her a text message telling her that I'm going to leave, after which she immediately came over and never looked at the guy again. At the time, it was an extremely perplexing experience.
She actually shared an experience someone mentioned earlier on this blog - a very early fascination with sex, without actually seeking it. She told me it started around the age of 6 or 8. She had social difficulties in her childhood and early adulthood, which she referred to as shyness, but with all that I have learned over the last few days, I think there is a good chance it was all related to some level of AS.
She had obvious difficulties at large social gatherings, with either clamming up or having a few drinks and then bringing up sexual topics in conversations, when it wasn't appropriate.
The day I realized what she might be struggling with, and after reading all the heartbreaking stories of people seeking social interaction and companionship, and having so much trouble with it, I couldn't stop myself from reaching out to her for the first time in several months and eventually telling her what the social worker suggested and explaining that I now understood her difficulties and I still loved her. I was surprised she clearly didn't even suspect what I was trying to at first gently hint at. It didn't go well, unfortunately, and I now realize it was a clumsy and insensitive way of delivering my suspicions.
I miss her very much, I still love her, but it looks like I just destroyed any chance of ever rebuilding our relationship. I'm very saddened by how the situation has developed. Hopefully, this story might help someone in building their relationships.
I'm amazed at Aspies who, with all the difficulties and frequently rejection, continue to seek social interaction and acceptance. I have a lot of respect for you. Good luck to all of you.
As for myself, I can relate to much of the discussion about sensitivity to touch. It was heightened while I was pregnant. I cannot sleep in my partner's arms or anywhere near her. I dunno, it's an odd situation, to both desire physical intimacy but not be able to tolerate it (very often)....
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I have struggled with sex since a teenager. I have a sex life but it is a particular kind. I have found that I can cope with certain types of sex, mainly power based role play, mild SM and fetish based sex.
I think the rules of role play help, as I get time to deal with what will happend. I used to dissociate a lot during sex, before I found role play. I also can deal with being spanked hard easier than being touched sensually. I have also turned certain non-sexual fixations into fetishes. In particular I have always had a fixation with waterproofs and wellington boots (because I do not like to get my clothes wet and dirty). I have found that these are common fetishes so give me a place to start. I am more than equipped to share these sorts of obsessions. It is a farily easy step to gas masks etc - which I also find fascinating.
I cannot cope with anything that involves beng dirty, and don't really like semen, even my own.
I am gay in practice, but proabably bi. I find men easier to deal with and understand.
I prefer to be passive but don't like being tied up at all. I can cope with being on top, but do not get off on it.
I prefer to masturbate myself. I don't like receiving or giving oral sex, as I am fussy about what goes in my mouth even down to types of tootbrushes. I am a dentists nightmare. The odd thing is that I do like being penetrated anally. It is the one time I like not being in control. It is the one thing that makes me emotional during sex. I tend to go very quiet when being penetrated.
I masturbate a lot, but can take or leave actual sex.
Does this sound familiar fo anyone? It would be good to hear from you if it is.
But to the point. If I may correct/enlighten/expand your horizons... I am gay and attended a college with a highly-active LGBTQIA scene; they even had a separate "queer" library! Therefore, I'm fairly well-versed in the speak, and know quite a few people from across that whole spectrum. From my experience, I've always understood that asexual people identify that way not because they derive absolutely no pleasure from sex, but that they have no *desire* to have sex. As an analogy, someone may have eaten apples before and admit that they tasted sweet, but they never actively search for apples or feel any desire to eat them again.
In this way, yes, someone could "become" asexual later in life, if they never feel a strong urge again.
I hope clarified issues a bit, instead of making them muddier. And if there are any asexuals reading this and I got it all wrong, please correct me! I'm eager to learn more.
I have been seen a suspected Aspie. In fact I am now 100% sure he is.
We are very close and I always thought that we were dating romantically, but the he confessed to me that he has no such desire to have sex with me or kiss me.
He is 30 yr virgin, and his idea of love is that you want to do sexual things with the girl, but he never experienced it.
He tells me that I am just like a family member, really great friends.
I feel like a need to tell him about Aspergers, but how can I tell him without offending him?
He looks normal to everyone else, i am the only one probably spotted his Aspie identity as you have to really get to know his sexuality in order to understand Aspie.
How can I tell him this....
From Aspie point of view, is there a possibility of him changing his rigid "view of love" where he believes it is the "desire to be with the girl all the time" and the "desire to want to have sex with her"?
Let's say that I tell him about asperger's syndrome and he accepts his diagnosis. Can he then understand that his rigid view of love is not realistic or will not be realised? Can he then love me? It seems like to him, these criterias must be met to be categorised as love.
He felt this kind of sexual attraction from internet dating (only e-mail exchange), but then when he met her, he had nothing to talk about and ended right there after a year.
It is very sad and painful for me to think that he will never be able to love...
Sometimes even when we hang out, i feel there are some moments that he finds me attractive, but I guess aspies can be "physically attracted but not "sexually attracted". Is it true?
Love is the most wonderful thing that a human being can experience, but he is not capable of that in this life.
He is in love with his own instrument, that is his profession and obsession.
Can he be truly happy only with his own interest? The perfect beautiful girl only exists in his mind but I doubt he will ever find one....
His relationship age seems like less than 10 year olds.
It is so painful... I pray God will help him..
When I am in a situation where sex is attainable, I want it. I really want it. I will stay in an abusive relationship if I'm getting good sex. When I am not in a situation where sex is not attainable then I am fine without it and can go long periods of time being content without it.
So there is brief synopsis of my 32 years of experience with sex and the possibility/probability of being an aspie.
I prearranged to loose my virginity which occurred 1 week before my 14th birthday (this was in 1979 and was still an age of free sex free love,...). Many of my friends were having sex and I wanted to see what it was all about; but, I was not involved with anyone. I asked a male friend of mine if he would accommodate and he did. I enjoyed it and have been having sex ever since then. I have been having sex on and off for almost 32 years. The first few years I had unwanted one-night-stands (I wanted more, he did not). I've been in a handful of relationships some good and some not so much. I was a battered woman from age 15 to 27 by 3 different men/relationships (a lot of times I was told that I "asked for it"). Was in one of those relationships on and off for 8 years. From then to 2011 I was either "with" men who were NOT unattached or have been abstinent (one period of abstinence lasted 5 years 2 months and 21 days). If I have sex I enjoy it tremendously especially with the right partner (like the one I have now); enjoy it so much that I want it ALL the time multiple times a day and I am known to be a bit kinky; however, if I am not having sex it initially depresses me TERRIBLY and then I become accustom to not having it and grow to careless if I ever have it; hence, the periods of abstinence.
Light touching gives me a lot of big goose pimples which makes my partner very happy but it makes me itch; he does it, I scratch it's ok. I actually prefer to be bit than tickled (I know, am I in the right blog, yes!), he's starting to accommodate my desire. I don't much care for the intimate foreplay stuff, I'd rather get down to the nitty gritty of things. For me to feel things on most parts of my body the pressure must be greater than gentle touches, it must be more deliberate for me to feel it or have a reaction. Once I feel the sensations (and we're talking on most parts of my body: neck, breasts, hips, genitalia,...) I go into sensory overload and become multi-orgasmic and I don't want it to stop. If we do stop I prefer it to be a break and get back to it within a few 15 minutes or so; however, it's very hard (or not so much) to find a partner who can accommodate. If I can have good sex at least once a day, I am very happy; however, I start to get depressed when my partner is not willing to accommodate and the depression spirals with each passing day. It doesn't matter if there is a legitimate reason for not having sex, I get depressed. I shut down. Depression shuts me down and this causes problems (it does for nt and as). It makes me distant. It makes me doubt. It makes me want to leave the relationship. All of that from the lack of sex.
I am in your situation in many ways myself. Your man is seeing you so that much is good. As for the guy I've been involved with, I'm still not sure he's ever been diagnosed but there is absolutely no doubt that he is an Aspie. He has refused to see me for 5 months now and only wants to chat briefly on the phone or text me at night. He sticks with his routine like a magnet to steel, and while he appears to be very sexually inclined he consistently cancels dates for us to see one another. If he gets upset over tiny little things he abandons any contact with me for weeks at a time with not so much as one word uttered. He is so easily triggered and offended at every little thing I say and do it is way beyond mind boggling. All of our interactions, so to speak, are done according to his liking. Although he has clearly learned what sounds nice he never ever follows through on any of his promises or politely voiced intentions. For example he has gotten into quite a repetitive habit of saying to me, "It's not just about me, I want to do want you want also." Needless to say there is no evidence that he has any willingness to do anything that would make me happy or demonstrate the slightest consideration for me.
I too have found myself in a relationship with an Aspie for the second time now, but it wasn't until all the same old familiar behaviors started popping up in this relationship that I began to investigate it more and discovered what was causing all the hurt feelings and constant misunderstandings.
As for how you should broach the subject with him, I would suggest you don't bring up Aspergers to him directly, but rather expose him to the subject any way you can. Whether it's by an article you have lying around or the internet, make sure he finds it or comes across it. Once you know he's been made aware of the syndrome then that will be a strong indicator to you as to how receptive he may or may not be to considering it or discussing it with you. It's a slippery slope and just approach it so very carefully and slowly. You can't bring it up suddenly or out of the blue or it will more than likely not be received well and you only have one first opportunity to address this issue with him. I sincerely wish you luck and don't give up. It seems you're already off to a pretty good start with him.
I too am very sad because I believe that the man I'm in love with has Asperger's. Pieces are beginning to fall into place. The self imposed isolation and his desire to spend days alone, or hour upon hour on the internet, researching his obsessions, his disconnect not only from his own family, but his unwillingness to be a part of anyone else's, his lack of any close relationships,(several divorces and a string of short failed relationships) though he has many many acquaintances, his refusal to go anywhere WITH other people (ie groups or other couples, gatherings etc.)his refusal to touch me, unless we're having sex(which is less and less frequent) his obvious discomfort at being hugged or caressed, ( I have to wait till we're in bed to snuggle up to him, cause he can't escape then, although he tries), he NEVER kisses me, his refusal to discuss in any way what our relationship is, although I have the feeling that if I just keep coming around, he wouldn't send me away. He seems to be aware that people have feelings. He watches "chick flicks" and briefly afterward is insightful about the characters emotional leanings or failings. He always talks about OTHER people's feelings or lack of them as thought he was studying them and trying to make sense of them. He surprised me the other day, when he mentioned that an acquaintance was telling him about all the places and things she did with her boyfriend, but he noticed that she didn't mention having any feelings for him, just all the things he did for her....I thought that was very strange, and reminded him that our relationship was not just about tickets and trips. He became silent and changed the subject...I've been SO baffled about his behavior that I was beginning to think I was crazy or too needy. I don't need a lot of sex, but I do need physical touch, (if monkeys do humans do) He is a wonderful, extremely intelligent man, friendly and social with strangers, because that connection is always limited, but I am filled with sadness, because I can't see spending what few years I have on this planet in a relationship that lacks warmth and tenderness. I need to learn more before I make a decision, but I feel my life becoming more and more empty.
I wanted also to say to Gavin, that this is a wonderful wonderful thing you are doing here. I found out more on this forum then I have googling around for the past few weeks. I actually stumbled across this after helping a relative "find" information about a new diagnosis of Asperger's in her own family.
There's no reason why anyone in a marriage should feel the way you do. You need to discuss this with your husband in terms that he can understand.
Tell him exactly what you want/need (not broad terms) and when you want it. It's probably worth your while telling him what you feel that you've "intuited" from his responses and have him confirm or deny them.
I know that with my wife, I find a soft brushing of hands touch to be like someone scraping fingernails on a blackboard and I know that I grit my teeth when it happens.
I'm sure it sends the wrong message but it's hard to work up the courage to say, don't do that, give me a tight hug instead.
Sex might become "different" depending upon your partners sensitivities but that doesn't mean it has to stop. You need to talk to figure out what works for both of you.
For the time being, the onus is on you to make the approaches but it shouldn't always be. One-sided relationships can't work permanently.
You need to teach him what is required and you'll need to prompt regularly when it's forgotten but all going well, there will be moments where it works.
If your man is a reader, then writing is the best approach. If not, you'll have to find something that works for him.
You need to get understanding and acceptance - of his condition & situation and of your ability/willingness to help.
You need to get agreement - that he will work with you.
You need to set directions - the future, goals etc. Things that you want to do together but can't now.
All of this stuff is best done together and on paper.
I know that this all sounds a bit clinical and a bit ?contrived? but people with aspergers syndrome often won't pick up on subtle hints. Sometimes things need to be said and done with directness.
Some responders have complained that their relationship lack tenderness or warmth, is this by any means related to the fact that aspergers may not like to be caressed or to caress a person?
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First of all, I need to suggest that blocking those sites is really not a great response to the situation.
The problem is that you're driving the problem underground (ie: making those activities "hidden") and you're forcing your 15 year old to seek out other sources which may be considerably more dangerous than the computer.
I'd recommend unblocking the sites - and telling her why. Then trying to reestablish yourself as a trustworthy source of advice.
You probably need to talk about her urges and appropriate responses to them. If she feels the need to use materials, it's far better than you be in control of them than her - as other sources may lead to worse things and lack of sanitation.
You also need to talk to her about virginity and why it's something she might want to preserve while at the same time giving her information about the dangers of pregnancy, disease and online predators.
Many of the images in pornography are degrading to women. You should probably explain that these are not normal sexual practices.
I agree that 15 is a scarily young age to be this interested in matters but there's little you can do about this, so you're better off being confidante than jailer.
this article was a lot of help. I remember thinking in middle school, "what does it take to be normal, and why not me?" Years later, my motto is, "I'm different, and I'm loving it!"
I do have apserger's, and my brother has autism. I know very well that he has no use for the human touch and no plans of ever being with another human. Then again, sex is a anomaly to him, so not only does he not fully comprehend it, he doesn't care. Whether he possesses a sex drive or not is something I don't know.
As I've said before you can be asexual, having no sexual orientation, and still have a sex drive; that only means you don't want sex but will instead masturbate. The stronger spectrum of asexual's don't do anything sexually related because it does not interest them.
As a child, I've tried to feel giggly about cute boys, even to the point of pretending, but really it held no spark. I do remember liking a guy, even wondering what it would be like to be intimate with him. BUT I do know that ever since I was a little kid I've definitely had a sex drive, but wasn't aware of how to work it until college....good times. I should mention that I do watch pornography.
Two times I've had chances of losing my virginity, once with a girl, and once with a boy. (I myself am a woman). While I did feel "squishy" down there just a little, the same heat that came from me working my own sex drive did not follow from this human to human contact. (I should mention the porn that gives me the edge was not there.) Then again, these weren't people I knew for very long, and I hadn't had time to establish a trust worthy relationship...just a heat of the moment ordeal.
My question is is as follows...am I just an aspie asexual with a sex drive, or an aspie who has yet to find pleasure in sex because she has not yet found a mate worth trusting...who might watch the same porn as her?
I wonder if you're not reading too much into things. Sometimes it's best to just let things occur naturally and see what happens.
You're at least able to derive pleasure from stimulation and you obviously have a drive to do so. As far as whether or not you could enjoy it if provided by someone else is concerned...
I'm pretty sure that the answer would be yes, if you could relax. The real question is whether or not you could relax.
The other thing to consider is that porn and masturbation may not be doing you any good. I've read about boys who use too firm a grip on themselves which creates a condition that cannot be replicated by normal sex. As a result, they find that normal sex does not work for them. I expect that there are similar circumstances for females.
One of the problems of masturbation is that you know exactly what to do to evoke a desired response. Sex is quite messy and muddled by comparison with most partners having little clue whether they're doing something right or wrong (other than any moans or movements that you use to clue them in).
Having too much "perfect" stimulus during masterbation will ultimately make actual sex a less enjoyable experience for you.
Besides the new man in my life who most likely is Aspie, I think I may have just realized that my 95 y/o mother, who was rushed to the hospital the other day in heart failure, is most likely as Aspie! OMG, to have known this earlier. She has never hugged me or told me she loved me. I've always described her as a Stoic, totally lacking of emotions. I have taken this personally all these years. What a revelation. I am leaving to see her shortly & will see her through different eyes now, and maybe too little time to make up for my own reactions to her inability to ever show any affection or emotion all these years. She even had me remove flowers people sent her- I just read that somewhere- not appreciating flowers. I am indebted to this site, and to you Gavin Bollard.....Thank-you.....I shall return.....ever so grateful.
Absolutely! I remained single all the way until senior year of high school. In that year, I started dating a fellow Aspie, though our relationship hovered between friendship and dating, and we never had sex. That summer, after we drifted apart, I began dating a NT woman who had a crush on me, but we had no emotional connection, and, again, did not have sex- we broke up halfway through freshman year of college. I'm about to complete my junior year now, and am still single, having had not a single date since the breakup. I don't think anybody has flirted with me, either, but I can never tell. I went to a bar on my birthday with some friends who were trying to get me a one-night stand. One girl actually bought *me* a drink, but I ended up ruining it by getting nervous and trying to keep the conversation going by giving a five-minute-long oration on credit and transportation infrastructure in subsaharan Africa as a major step forward in establishing market access and targeted development in agricultural communities. She was not amused.
"Aspies with sensory issues may have problems with touch"
Oh God, so very very much.
"Sexually active Aspies are often a little more experimental than the general public and have less understanding of boundaries."
Ha! Again, so very very much. I've never gotten to have sex, but man, the types of deviant sex I'm *willing* to have.....
I identify as a hetero male, I recall my GPs telling me that my M used to dress me in opposite gender items. On my own I would find contentment, for lack of a better word, in wearing such things in private. I entertained the thought of wearing them under my street clothes but predicted being found out to great humiliation and possible violence.
Reading up on AS now I can draw the connection to the tactile sensations. When I was 15 (puberty still wasn't to hit for another 2 years) my M found my stash of articles I acquired, to one of my greatest horrors. Growing up had always been a loaded deck for Liar's Poker but on this occasion it was like looking into the eyes of Satan. Needless to say I suppressed those compulsions for a long time until last spring when I bit the bullet and starting 'scoring' a pair of shoes once or twice a month, and have been OK mainly with those when I get myself off to hotlinked images (mainly vanilla, and a Real Life curious)
So my RL experiences;early on crushes with sitters and teachers, in 1st grade I had girls giving me small things -candy and lunch items - in my mind that made them my 'gf's. Had 1st real 'can't-eat-can't-sleep'crush in 5th grade. She had been to England which was one of my SIs at the time. I found myself racking up more detentions than I did on my own just to be 'alone' with her. Spent weeks wondering what to say, 1 day I blurted out that I hated a certain grocery store, she replied "join the club" which was like a big wall coming down for me. Was in the process of getting in good with her B when school let out and she wasn't there next semester
FF through more crushes, rejection and mocking, to just turning 18. I was propositioned by a neglected housewife, but my fear of God, H, and lack of experience quashed that opportunity. Beat myself up mentally for that one before FINALLY 'dating' a borderline low functioning girl at 27. Being ultimately rejected by her a few months later was about as devastating as it gets. My next partner was my 'dream girl' looks and disposition wise, but my role was being just a link in her chain. She was good for me to be with in a lot of ways; a giver and also allowed me to give, which 'GF' #1 wasn't. A band I was in at the time dragged me to strip clubs which just never has been my thing.>br> After leaving that band and 'relationship' I looked at where all the GF1 post-dump booze and pills had gotten me, and started going back to church. I got involved in the music ministry, thinking this would surely gain the attention of the good and loyal woman God had planned for me. 4 solid years to no avail. Church seems to be great for people who all grow up knowing each other and people married 50 years, but single in your late 20s-40s- forget it. So the result is I would love (almost) more than all my guitars and motorbikes to have JUST ONE opposite gender person compatible with me physically, emotionally, and spiritually that also wants to love and be loved back, unfortunately my condition synergized with inability to progress beyond 2 messages IF ANY on sites like POF makes for an inevitable destructive recipe for eternal loneliness and wasted could-have-beens. If that's not enough, I have read that even if there is any likehihood of entering another relationship, those things I 'stim' from can set me up for further intolerance and rejection. But yes, I believe people on the spectrum can have a full healthy libido.
To the girl who rubs her hand and smells it, my thought is that could be a transfer of oxytocin, found to be therapeutic in folks on the spectrum
I recently turned 40 and am finally coming to terms with the way things are and have been for me.
I identify as a hetero male, I recall my GPs telling me that my M used to dress me in opposite gender items. On my own I would find contentment, for lack of a better word, in wearing such things in private. I entertained the thought of wearing them under my street clothes but predicted being found out to great humiliation and possible violence.
Reading up on AS now I can draw the connection to the tactile sensations. When I was 15 (puberty still wasn't to hit for another 2 years) my M found my stash of articles I acquired, to one of my greatest horrors. Growing up had always been a loaded deck for Liar's Poker but on this occasion it was like looking into the eyes of Satan. Needless to say I suppressed those compulsions for a long time until last spring when I bit the bullet and starting 'scoring' a pair of shoes once or twice a month, and have been OK mainly with those when I get myself off to hotlinked images (mainly vanilla, and a Real Life curious)
So my RL experiences;early on crushes with sitters and teachers, in 1st grade I had girls giving me small things -candy and lunch items - in my mind that made them my 'gf's. Had 1st real 'can't-eat-can't-sleep'crush in 5th grade. She had been to England which was one of my SIs at the time. I found myself racking up more detentions than I did on my own just to be 'alone' with her. Spent weeks wondering what to say, 1 day I blurted out that I hated a certain grocery store, she replied "join the club" which was like a big wall coming down for me. Was in the process of getting in good with her B when school let out and she wasn't there next semester
FF through more crushes, rejection and mocking, to just turning 18. I was propositioned by a neglected housewife, but my fear of God, H, and lack of experience quashed that opportunity. Beat myself up mentally for that one before FINALLY 'dating' a borderline low functioning girl at 27. Being ultimately rejected by her a few months later was about as devastating as it gets. My next partner was my 'dream girl' looks and disposition wise, but my role was being just a link in her chain. She was good for me to be with in a lot of ways; a giver and also allowed me to give, which 'GF' #1 wasn't. A band I was in at the time dragged me to strip clubs which just never has been my thing.>br> After leaving that band and 'relationship' I looked at where all the GF1 post-dump booze and pills had gotten me, and started going back to church. I got involved in the music ministry, thinking this would surely gain the attention of the good and loyal woman God had planned for me. 4 solid years to no avail. Church seems to be great for people who all grow up knowing each other and people married 50 years, but single in your late 20s-40s- forget it. So the result is I would love (almost) more than all my guitars and motorbikes to have JUST ONE opposite gender person compatible with me physically, emotionally, and spiritually that also wants to love and be loved back, unfortunately my condition synergized with inability to progress beyond 2 messages IF ANY on sites like POF makes for an inevitable destructive recipe for eternal loneliness and wasted could-have-beens. If that's not enough, I have read that even if there is any likehihood of entering another relationship, those things I 'stim' from can set me up for further intolerance and rejection. But yes, I believe people on the spectrum can have a full healthy libido.
To the girl who rubs her hand and smells it, my thought is that could be a transfer of oxytocin, found to be therapeutic in folks on the spectrum
If actual sex doesn't work, there are more things that you can do together which provide similar results - perhaps you should talk to him about those sorts of alternatives.
I'd have thought that the real danger in using someone else for sex would be attachment, hence a gigolo would be fine but finding a friend would not be. In that sense, I think it would destroy your relationship because being a very Christian person, you'd probably find that you needed love for sex to work.
Best of luck.
I'm now a 31 year old male.
I understood quite early in my life what sex was. From the age of 7 or 8 I enjoyed wearing female clothes although I've only considered myself heterosexual.
I do have homosexual or transgender fantasies sometimes but what stimulates me mostly is light bondage.
Fortunately having been with 10 girlfriends I realised most women actually prefer to be lightly dominated.
I am very active sexually and am a good lover. Perhaps the reason I like it so much is because I'm good at it.
The interesting thing is that out of 10 girlfriends I've only ever achieved orgasm with 3 of them.
The only things I've ever been diagnosed with are AS and depression.
So yeah. I think it's a very individual thing.
I am a female 22yr old with Aspergers syndrom and am completely asexual. I am curious as to the implications this may have in regards to spirituality. you may wonder what relation there is in this, as a "monk" i am quite happy and function nicely, im just curious if, by general Yogic standards (meaning that a lack of sexual desire is a sign of spiritual advancement) what this means about my development spiritually.
While all tend to include the physical aspects; my relationship with this lovely man has been solely on the internet and is 2 years in the making. We spend many hours most every day in each other's company and enjoy it very much. This will change in a few short months, as I am fortunate enough to get to meet him in person. This frightens me a bit, to be honest.
A few things are glaring: 1) any discussion of emotions is torturous for him; 2) he is very private and does not enjoy crowds or being in a public arena; 3) he is in his late thirties never having experienced a sexual relationship of any sort; 4) he is extrordinarily intelligent; 5) self-describes as having the emotional maturity of a nine-year-old.
A few things that confuse me: a) he can be extremely sensitive, and his feelings easily hurt; b) he is occasionally jealous and will shut down or go off-line when this happens; c) while he does not like speaking directly about emotion, he is not put off by my confessed love for him in a public forum (such as facebook or to friends); d) when faced with a situation where I was in medical crisis, he has literally freaked out and gone into a state of meltdown; e) he is highly protective of me when in amongst others in a public internet forum; f) though not liking to speak of emotion - he becomes irritated if left out of a conversation of this nature.
As I anticipate the next few months - it would be helpful to get helpful advice from anyone of you with experience and insight.
With deep appreciation.
He's older as am I, we both have had past marriages, break ups, no children...my dilemma is I am not Aspie, at all, but find him, kind, sexy, brilliant above anyone I have ever met, and weird, yet charming- mostly frustrating, and irritating- I feel addicted to his weird Aspie ways, and Yes I am in love with him, now it's 2 1/2 years of this...and each time we see one another, I think i should break up with him, but I can't.
He's older as am I, we both have had past marriages, break ups, no children...my dilemma is I am not Aspie, at all, but find him, kind, sexy, brilliant above anyone I have ever met, and weird, yet charming- mostly frustrating, and irritating- I feel addicted to his weird Aspie ways, and Yes I am in love with him, now it's 2 1/2 years of this...and each time we see one another, I think i should break up with him, but I can't.
I've been dating the same woman for 2 years. I recently asked her to move out because I was having a difficult time balancing my personal life and my life with her. We are still together and many of our problems have been alleviated now that I am living in my own house and thinking, talking, and acting at my own pace.
HOWEVER. I cannot get the idea out of my head that I may want to try a relationship or just having sex with a guy. I became sexually active at age 14 and continued to have sex with men until I was 20. Then I had my first monogamous relationship and it was with a woman. I have only been with women since and have had 3 moderately healthy/satisfying relationships. Sexual relationships with women have become easy for me because we have the same type of body. Also, women tend to be very patience with all my sensitivities.
STILL I am really attracted to guys but I am SUPER nervous about having sex with them. When I was younger it was awful. I was just trying to do what I thought was expected of me and it never felt good. I never felt like guys cared about my orgasm or my body. I felt awkward because penetration doesn't give me an orgasm. I also have this feeling that guys won't be attracted to me because I am not girly enough or because I am too serious and different. I know it is messed up, but I feel like I'm not good enough for the guys I'm attracted to.
I am friends with some really dynamic and kind guys but some how I can't convince myself that they could ever want me both intellectually and sexually.
Honestly I even have a hard time believing that they are my friends even though we've known each other since grade school.
I know these words don't make sense, but I mean them honestly.
I am a recently diagnosed Aspie adult female. What I have to say may be offensive to some. I have been reading over these blogs and am disappointed. Am I all alone in desiring sexual intimacy, being able to delight in my partner's pleasure, which is extremely important to me, and being able to appreciate her efforts in pleasing me to the point of being almost overwhelmed with the intensity and pleasure of orgasm? I am capable of deep passion and sensuality. I am able to relate to my partner on a reciprocally emotional level. I am currently single and have been for awhile, by choice. I have had many opportunities, and very recent at that. I am just not into one-night-stands, and besides, I've been waiting for someone special.
My point in posting this is the reiterate that Asperger's Syndrome is an Autism Spectrum Disorder-key word being Spectrum. Though I have other deficits, some more profound than others, the romance department isn't one of them-under one condition-I must be able to establish a deep level of trust, first. Depending on the person, as everyone is different, the amount of time needed for that varies.
So, I just wanted to offer hope to some NTs out there with concerns about the ability to have a romantic relationship with an Aspie. It is entirely possible. The trust aspect provides a comfort level that is beneficial to both parties. The sex then flows easier and feels right.
As an Aspie, what is impotent to me personally is the trying and the patience, the openness and willingness to do all that I can to have successful relationships. So, to all of you NTs, I am speaking up for us Aspies who make wonderful companions and lovers. It isn't always the fault of the Aspie why things don't work out...people are people. And love can be complicated for anyone for a myriad of reasons.
I hope this has provided hope someone out there.-NfromFL
She has never had a boyfriend (not even kissed as far as I know)but is hetero and takes interest in the opp sex. She is quite attractive to look at but lacks confidence and maturity. She also tends to dress for herself not paying any heed to fashion, wears jeans all the time and PJs to bed. Nothing sexy such as lace underwear or french cut/thong panties etc. IS this normal for AS teen girls?
I am concerned that her lack of social and relationship development will see her staying home with us much longer than what is considered "healthy" for a young woman. We want to encourage her to enter into normal relationships with guys but at the same time don't want her to fall prey to sexual predators who may hurt her emotionally. She doesn't drink alcohol so isn't interested in night clubs etc.
Any advice would be appreciated.
SF in OZ
It sounds like your friend can't relax. You should probably ask him if you can be present when he masturbates. Assuming that he's 40 and until recently a virgin, he's probably developed his own style and likes/dislikes.
It's also a well known fact that men who use "too tight a grip" during masturbation will make themselves unable to reach climax during normal sex. It's what they get used to.
If you observe too tight a grip, you should suggest that he spend time practicing with a much lighter grip (and not revert to a tight one). It will take time for his body to adjust back.
Here's my General Advice For All:
Perhaps it would be better to assume that all marriages, all relationships, are unique. Each person you date, or marry, needs a different set of rules. If you love someone, try to work things out. If you cannot bear to live with their needs, then find a different partner. There is no longer any shame in divorce.
However, marriage is not all about sex. Many people stay together for a variety of reasons such as money, children, career, even pets. If there is another very good reason to stay with a person, then why let sexual differences bother you? Make your decision, stay for reason "X", or leave. Then stick to it.
Aspie. Mid-50's. Married 2x. Sex is over rated. Logic rules.
One of the reasons why I love comments on this blog is because they show a wide spectrum of experience and lead us to draw exactly the kind of conclusions that you have.
In general, the list of sexual troubles with people with aspergers reads very like "all the sexual troubles of the world".
There's only a few minor differences as far as I can tell but having the comments to back this up is extremely gratifying.
The first girl I fell for at 22, I more or less wanted to marry her before I even talked to her, so in cases like that I hit reality with a big bump. I eventually married (and still am) after a short on and off courtship, but my wife soon found how inept I was socially and with her - never looking her in the eye, treating her as if she was a prostitute, which she did not want to be, not at all romantic, etc. We very rarely have sex and she locks the bathroom door when she is in it. I now better realize from reading the posts that I need to act more like a normal NT person and focus on the little acts of kindness or attempts to communicate which just don't come naturally to me. It's not that our relationship is that bad, but every few months she will have an outburst which shows just how fed up and frustrated she is with me. Are there any NT women who could give me advice to improve things without it appearing that I am just in it for sex. Generally the rest of life is OK, we have a comfortable home, a steady income, two great grown up kids, etc., but it is just that I fail a lot when it comes to issues like communication, and expressions of affection in public.
Totally thrown and desPite being separated am tormenting myself as need answers.
Are you sure that he's an Aspie who treats you like that because he doesn't know how to treat you any more kindly...
...instead of a jerk who treats you like that because he does know better but just doesn't care enough about you to bother treating you any more kindly?
Maybe you should ask *yourself* how *you* feel about *being treated the way he treats you*, in addition to asking others why he treats you that way?
"...As an Aspie, what is impotent to me personally is the trying and the patience, the openness and willingness to do all that I can to have successful relationships. So, to all of you NTs, I am speaking up for us Aspies who make wonderful companions and lovers. It isn't always the fault of the Aspie why things don't work out...people are people. And love can be complicated for anyone for a myriad of reasons...
"...Look, if you're going to agree to be in a relationship intimately, don't try to fall back on the fact that you have Asperger's Syndrome as an excuse."
Good points!!!
"...Nothing sexy such as lace underwear or french cut/thong panties etc. IS this normal for AS teen girls?..."
Why do you keep track of which panties your daughter wears?
"I seriously cannot believe all the very different accounts here are all Asperger related. I'm thinking that a great many people are misdiagnosed, or wrongly self-diagnosed. This list of comments just reads like all the sexual troubles of the world. I don't see how anyone could possibly get any answers from it.
"Here's my General Advice For All:
"Perhaps it would be better to assume that all marriages, all relationships, are unique. Each person you date, or marry, needs a different set of rules. If you love someone, try to work things out. If you cannot bear to live with their needs, then find a different partner..."
More good points!!!!!
"SF in OZ: What's really creepy is that you're concerned your 18-year-old stepdaughter isn't wearing sexy underwear! That's not relevant to her mental health or development. I'm a NT woman in my thirties, for what it's worth, and have had several fantastic relationships. At your stepdaughter's age, I was not investing energy in sexy underwear or fancy clothes. I was more focused on academics, friends, and writing good love letters to my long-distance boyfriend. My first kiss came at 19. I had been at an all-girls school before college, but my "slow" (according to you) start had much more to do with being extremely thoughtful and having high expectations than being awkward, unattractive, or asexual. At that age, I thought most guys around me were idiots--and they generally were then. I wanted to take my time. The fact that she's not wearing heels or lace or whatever you associate with sexiness doesn't mean she devalues her appearance or sexuality either. She might feel damn sexy in baggy jeans. Stop projecting your stereotyped expectations on her."
RIGHT ON!
I have separated in the last several months from an 18 year relationship that included marriage. We had been growing apart for a number of years due to my Spectrum typical behaviour (which I began changing too little too late) and my sexual practices. I actually love sex, all aspects of it and there is not much I would not try (other than sex with another man - not my thing). My ex has told me that I have an insatiable appetite for sex - we are talking wanting it 2-4 times a week (could have done it most days but did not ask for that). I went for 18 years with her rarely initiating sex and while we tried some wild things, I feel that much of it was mechanistic from her. This really bothered me and I felt that while she tried so many things we actually never connected sexually. BTW, I have been recently wondering if she is also on the spectrum - I am certain her father is and possibly her sister.
Anyway, about 10 years ago I began seeing escorts and going to brothels. It was hit and miss - some worked and some did not. However, the feelings and intimacy I got from some women were amazing, even if it was bought - you still need to connect on some level to make it work. This eventually came out this year and it proved to be the death knell for our relationship. We kept going for a time and even went on a holiday to Europe at the very end but it was not enough - I had hurt her too badly. At the time I was doing it, I was thinking that I was saving her from having to deal with my sexual needs (sex with an escort would keep me going for many months) and I thought I was doing her a favour. It also kept me going in the relationship. Funnily enough, I actually found her much more attractive than the escorts I used (and some were hot), but she was cute and vulnerable which are attractive qualities to me sexually.
I never wanted to end the relationship. I guess it is the issue of not liking change and being in a comfortable place. For a long time since I was asked to leave, I was in love with her and longed for her - we were good companions for those years. I ended up in a house 3 doors down from her (no choice, in a mining town). She had developed a relationship with a woman prior to me leaving so I would look down the street to see her girlfriend's car out the front of the house. It ate me up. I believe that this relationship has now ended although they still see each other a lot (they work together and play music together and spend time at each others houses for dinner etc). I went through some very dark times over this. I am only now slowing up on the texts to her - I have used texts when I feel angry at her but realise now that it is damaging any future relationship with her (I have 2 great boys so need to keep communication open).
I am now moving on - I think - and have even had a couple of dates. I hope I have learned from all this and will be a better person with the next person I have a relationship with.
one thing that bothers people, particularly my sister, is that im more comfortable being single than dating. my friends dont understand, my mother doesn't really, and my sister has even gone as far as calling me a freak and asexual (though she is very repentat of this now.)i think she did this because to her, being alone must seem like the worst thing in the world, while to me, having a relationship is some of the hardest and most incredible (its almost a miraculous thing to me) thing to maintain.
speaking of that, I don't get long obsessions with people. on the contrary, i find that i will have very quick flashes of obsession follwed by total uninterest and sometimes even shame. this is what happened with my last bf, and i was ridiculed and still am ridiculed at school for "dumping him after three weeks so coldly." i just couldnt stay with someone i was so uninterested in though.
this is just scrtaching the surface of my intimacy problems. to say the least, being a teen aspie, especially if you are a girl, can be pretty complex and rough
At 21, I had my first sexual experience in a friends-with-benefits situation, being that the men I really wanted were out of my reach. I wouldn't have given into his advances had I not been a virgin. I was just too curious. I love him, but not that way. Nevertheless, it was hard to end the sex, because I was afraid it was my only chance for experience, and so far, that's the case.
I thought my luck had changed when I became good friends with another man. I thought I was finally going to make love the way I'd always dreamed of, but he'd already moved on to someone else. I was devastated. I had trouble eating and sleeping for weeks.
It's been over a year now since the incident, and I'm still having trouble moving on. I keep feeling that I should be married now and having wild passionate sex constantly, not crying in an empty bed. I've tried dating sites, but I'm not attracted to any of the available men. I'm afraid I only want men I can't have.
I also have a morbid fear of aging. I look at my young self in the mirror and I'm afraid I'm running out of time. I don't think older women are ugly, just not sexy. If I can't make love to a man I desire while in my prime, I don't wish to live.
I've been considering seeing an escort. I'm tired of having literally no dating or sex life. I don't see this as a permanent solution. Quite frankly, I don't know if there is such a thing for me. I was brought up a Christian, but the promise of eternal life in the kingdom of Heaven gives me no comfort if there's no prince of my own waiting for me.
You will make someone a great partner if you can form the emotional connection which for most men isnt that difficult. Then allow yourself the trust needed to give and receive the love you want. The reason Im responding is I hear the desperation in your comment and it shows a dedication to being in relationship that few so called "nt's" possess. There is hope for you!
Desperate in NC
The secret is compromise.
You need time alone so that you can talk these things through calmly and frankly.
You need to decide what things you need and how often. Then talk to him about his needs and aversions.
For example, it's very common for people with Aspergers to dislike open-mouth kissing because of the over-stimulation.
He may be more up to kissing you on the neck or the shoulder (and that's something that can still be very passionate).
Talk to him about the sex. You might find that there's certain things that "turn him off" and certain things that turn him on. He may be ok with some things but not others.
If you can't talk, then write. If you can't write, then do.
For example, you can lie on the bed and ask him to do the things that he feels comfortable doing. This will give you some clues. Then you can reverse roles and tell him that he has to have 5 minutes where you're in control.
Unless you communicate and find out what you need to do to compromise, you'll find it difficult to move forward.
I am 31 year old and had relationship with one year older Asp man. We were together 4 years (not married and still I can't believe I survived 4 years of such suffering) and at this point I can say all our relationship (not only sex) was one great disaster. Each time I felt like I am sleeping with a 15 years old boy and I felt like an pedophile because my boyfriend was so immature. I think that problem in sexual life with Asp person is that they are in their own world and they will NEVER understand us- NT. So my recommendation for NT is: find NT (not Asp) person with who you can share beautiful (sexual) life without misery and continual clarifying and mental suffering. Relationship with Asp will just destroy you....
I just left my Asp boyfriend and now I am with NT person with who I have amazing relationship and of course also sex.
I FEEL SO SO GREAT NOW!!!!!
Your life is too short to spend it in misery and with person who will NEVER understand you!
Lucy M.
this is something I will just have to accept in order to be married to him. He admits he masturbates and doesn't seem to know why he does it. Can someone please explain to me what the reason for this is. He knows I love him and would like very much to have sex with him but it justa never happens. The last time I tried to initiate sex with him he was quite hateful about it and refused. Any ideas that might help us?
Deperate in NC
I'm not much into pain as I am in deep tactile stimulation. I find rope bondage soothing. Sex is not merely about genital stimulation, it includes my mind (role play) and all of my body.
I would find it impossible and demanding to maintain a relationship with a sole individual, but with two, it's manageable.
It is my belief that so many autistics struggle with relationship and sexuality issues because they are trying to conform to family's or Society's expectations of them instead of looking inward to see what would best met their needs. The repression against autistic sexuality is so strong in so many places, that it has become a "coming out" process. We need safe space to be able to talk to other Aspies about our sexuality, to share our "coming out" histories.
I like this post, but I want to clarify something about asexuality. You said asexual people feel no pleasure from sexual acts- This isn't entirely true. Many asexual people can feel aroused and even enjoy masturbation, the main difference is that they don't feel sexual attraction toward others, and don't always seek out romantic relationships, but when attracted to someone, they'd much rather get to know the person than they would have any sexual experience with them. So while asexual people may not seek out sex, it doesn't mean they can't get pleasure from it, they just don't have a drive for it.
My research was done at:
http://www.asexuality.org/home/
More specifically:
http://www.asexuality.org/home/overview.html
So, this is my situation. A year ago I met a very interesting guy. I immediately liked him - he is handsome, talented in lots of (especially creative) fields, funny... But I noticed, and this was confirmed by his long-time friends, that he is also extremely introverted. He likes to be alone and do his "hobbies", he often avoids social gatherings with people he doesn't know very well (and tends to leave without explanation), he avoids eye contact, seems very uncomfortable with physical touch and generally shows poor signs of emotions. This is where I suspected he is an Aspie, but it took me a year...
At first I tried to flirt with him in the usual NT way, but this was getting nowhere. He never showed any interest, so I continued to treat him just as friend.
Our friendship deepened and we started to talk everyday, mostly concerning our mutual creative interests. He was always more talkative over the internet, it should be said. I picked up that he doesn't like to discuss anything in relation to emotions, so I never pushed it. I always kept my talking in his "safe" zone. Although he never showed direct interest in me, I noticed that, as months passed, we actually developed a close connection which I think he doesn't have with any other girl. There were frequent times when we would isolate from our friends when going out and talked for hours about something "geeky". These are the moments where I saw something closest to happiness in his eyes.
And I still thought that's it, that he likes me in his own way, but that it will never go further. Still didn't suspect Aspergers.
And then a weird thing happened. We were on a concert, drunk, and in one moment, as I was standing in front of him, he got very close to me, sort of "glued" to my back, which is very unusual for him since he avoids any physical contact with people. I stayed close to him for some time. This is when I started to lightly touch him on the leg. He didn't react at first, but he let me do it. And short afterwards, he loosened his right hand (he had his hands crossed the entire concert up to that moment) and moved it close to mine, which is when I lightly grabbed his fingers and we remained lightly holding hands for some time. Then I sensed something that could be described as "overwhelmingness" from his side and he excused himself and went to the bathroom. Before he left, he smiled at me and did something awkward, like a light pinch on the arm. Warm, but awkward. To the end of the concert we didn't repeat this, and never spoke of it again. This was 3 weeks ago.
Week later, we were on a social gathering where one of our friends misinterpreted us as a couple when I arrived. This gives me a hint that people around us do see our connection. Usually, this would make his head explode and run away, but this time he ignored the awkward situation and aproached me normaly and we talked.
By now, and we are 23, he had only 2 or 3 girlfriends and they all left him for being weird in communication and non-physical. It was 5 years since his last relationship.
Anyway, I don't really know where to go from this point. I think he has Aspergers, and since I like him very much I would like to know how to bring it to the next level, at least to verbalizing the mutual liking because this is something that I think horrifies him as a possible uncomfortable situation. Also, in his mind it can be a big "change" and Aspies do not like changes of routines. But I really think that he tries in his own way, especially by letting me touch him which he never allows. I don't know how to organize a date in a way that he won't feel "pushed into it", uncomfortable, or like he is "stupid" for not knowing exactly what to do with a girl. I am ready to make adjustments to my behavior.
He displays the signs such as:
Doesn't like eye contact
Displays clumsiness (always tripping over his own feet)
Does not understand non-verbal communication such as body language or subtle hints
Has a brilliant knowledge anything to do with one subject - music
Hates change and has many set routines including always eating the same limited meals.
Has an extremely short attention span
Etc.
However, he is a loving, caring individual who is truly misunderstood by people. Hence, he has no friends but can't understand why that is. His ability to frustrate people unintentionally can lead to them getting aggressive with him but he doesn't know what he's done to upset them. Unfortunately, because of his behavioural differences he is not accepted by most people so it adds to his confusion.
The point of me writing this blog though is to say that I have just ended the relationship. We have got on well and I have researched the condition as much as I can to help me understand him although it appears there are many varying levels of the syndrome. I hate people judging him because he is "different".
This brings me to the crux of the matter. My major concern has been with regards to his sexual behaviour. From the first time we slept together I couldn't deny he is fantastic in bed. Without a doubt the best sex partner I have had. An expert in that area in fact. We both liked the same things and can satisfy each other. We also both like watching porn movies and I introduced bondage into the equation too. However, over the last couple of months he seems to have become more and more obsessed with sex, porn and bondage. It got to the point that every time we met he would mention having sex literally within the first 5 minutes. It seemed to be the only thing on his mind. If I confronted him with it he would say he was only joking but I knew he wasn't. We also like drinking together but this became a big issue because after a few he would "paw" me, particularly touching my breasts, inappropriately. However, it got to the point when a few times I had too much to drink he well and truly stepped over the mark and took advantage of me (that's putting it politely).
The problem is he doesn't know the boundaries of what is considered inappropriate (or does he!!!). He also got rougher and hurt me. It appears to have built up into an obsession and quite a frightening one. I no longer felt safe going to his flat. He started buying lots of wine as well. There seemed to be a connection he had made in his head i.e. getting me drunk equaled sex. He thinks saying sorry and bursting into tears (a frequent occurrence) will fix it and because of his Aspergers I let him off only for him to do it again. I really don't know if he understands what he has done wrong!
I'm hoping that by leaving him it will break the cycle because if things carried on as they were I'm not sure how much further his "obsession" would go.
I'm just interested to know if this is something others have experienced. It's such an unfortunate turn of events.
He is also a very clingy person. Unlike a lot of the comments on this site I have to say that he is the opposite to a lot of Asperger sufferers who don't like being touched. He was over cuddling and kissing to the point of smothering.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Likewise, sexual needs, desires, and tendencies vary among even "normal" people(and can vary through the same person's lifetime.) Whatever form of Asperger's that person has doesn't necessarily account for every part of an Aspie's sexual identity and behavior -- rather, Asperger's is another of the complex weave of factors that produces it.
I have read widely about Aspergers and tried to inform myself about my partners perspective and view of the world, which has helped me to better manage unintended hurts and slights that arise in our relationship.
There are, however, challenges, not least his total obsession with all things sexual most of which I can live with as I am neither embarrassed nor uncomfortable with sexual issues.
However, he masturbates to films he made of past sexual partners and when I say to him that while I have no problem with him using porn, I would prefer if he didn't use more personal material because I am uncomfortable with it, he becomes defensive and accuses me of being over-sensitive. He is obsessed with young women's bodies and can be licentious and offensive even making comparisons, hurtful and inappropriate remarks about my, obviously, older body. I have said to him that if he wishes to end our relationship to meet younger women on the Internet - where it seems he has met a bewildering number of women, some of them quite young and willing to have sex with him in the past - to please do so. He always responds to my suggestion by saying that he was only joking and that he would rather have me in his life anyday, which undoubtedly has something to do with the fact that the young women he has met on the internet, don't remain in his life for very long.
My attempts to discuss my concerns with him and explain my feelings have largely been met by a brick wall and the suggestion that there is something wrong with me because in his world view, all men prefer to look at younger women and that is simply a fact that I am clearly, in his view, not intelligent enough to absorb!
There are many wonderful aspects to this man and I care for him deeply, but elements of our relationship are bordering on abusive in that he simply will not listen to how I feel and turns to verbal attacks on me when I raise these issues with him. I would like to try to find resolution with him on the basis that much of our relationship is so positive. However, his constant obsessive discourse about young women and his disregard for my feelings in relation to his choice of personal material for masturbation, is taking its toll on my confidence and self-esteem. If I continue to fail to reach him on this issue, I will be joining the scores of women who have walked out of life in the past and that makes me so sad for him and for me, because I suspect, despite the defences he has erected to protect himself from the scores of women who have rejected him in his life, he will be as devastated as I will be.
Please direct me as how best to deal with this, Gavin, as it is hurting me intensely and I am at a loss as to what to do.
I completely understand your position. It's one thing to be "competing" with people who are unattainable, unmeetable and unnamed. It's a different thing entirely to be competing with past lovers. You need to consider making this a "hard limit" in your relationship because otherwise there is a chance that it could spill over from fantasy into reality.
The answer very much depends on what you're comfortable with. I'd suggest that at the very least you ask him how he would feel if he caught you doing the same to films or photos of old lovers. If that doesn't move him, there's the option to "get caught". I presume that you don't have any films of your own but you might have some photos - not necessarily naked ones, just even portraits of old boyfriends or you with an old boyfriend. If you could get caught saying their name and looking the picture, then perhaps it will lead you neatly into a discussion of why his behaviour makes you feel uncomfortable.
The other thing you could do is talk about your ex-lover's bodies when he makes remarks about his. Give him a taste of his own medicine.
Of course, these are all reactive things and while they will help him to understand, they won't solve anything. The solution is simply to establish a "hard limit". Things which are off the menu for discussion or perusal. All ex-es should really be hard limits in all relationships.
I hope things get better.
Gavin.
My husband, I think, must be.
We always struggled with our sex life. He liked cuddling and so forth, but sex was always a struggle for him. He could not do oral, recoiled from certain touches and complained he could not get sensation inside me. He blamed this on me being 'loose' despite difficulties during penetration (he's quite big). He blamed me a lot for the difficulties in our sex life and as a woman I internalised this. I mean 'what man doesn't want to have sex'? So it HAD to be me. It wasn't.
But we got on well enough until I (by a miracle) got pregnant. After the birth of our son he became agitated all the time and verbally and emotionally abusive.
After years of rejection and no sex and trying everything I could think of I had an affair. I discovered there was nothing wrong with me sexually and it's been bliss exploring that side of my personality again. Though, of course, it's hardly ideal.
I've had enough. For my own sanity I have to get out. We've slept in separate rooms and haven't had sex in two years because I refuse to initiate only to be rejected 95% of the time. But yet he recently said he thought things were better. I guess they are better for him because I don't make many demands on him and avoid conflict like the plague - accepting unacceptable behaviour just for some peace (he rages when challenged). But I'm absolutely miserable. He simply can't seem to see that and if I tell him how I'm feeling he tells me I'm wrong.
This post has given me a lot of answers to my questions but no happy solutions.
She happen to be super attractive. When I met her she was a waitress and we started to talk and she was ok, very charming. But very soon I realized she has problems, she couldn't keep a conversation, she was way too naive, very co dependent. No way she could make up her mind. Her friend used to manipulate her all the time and one day I had an argument with her and I yield at her: don't you have common sense? And she freaked out and hid in the bed.
I realized a year later she was asperger, everything made sense. Unfortunately she met some people who put her into parties, drugs and now she is a prostitute.
is impossible to make her react, she just does not get it and if her clients do not want to use protection she just go for it like that.
I did my best but that was it. She felt into that.
I felt like a complete pedophile having sex with him because he acted like a child in the bedroom. I would have to put his hand on me. He would just rest it there, not moving, just waiting for me to do the next thing. HORRIBLE. Never, ever again will I date an Aspie.
My problem is that my current boyfriend knew I was asexual (I didn't know that was the term, but I told him I disliked regular sex) when we met and he said that was ok. We moved in together and I changed everything around in my life so it fit around what we both wanted. Now he says it is not enough and he wants regular sex with me.
I like his company and the security of being in a relationship (I can be affectionate and talkative if I know the other person understands my intentions), and don't want to have to rearrange everything in my life again as it's taken me years to build new routines where I can function normally. I also don't think I will find another person I like who is also suited to me. Past relationships have all been terrible and I am a difficult person to live with.
I have tried to learn to enjoy normal sex. I can get turned on occasionally when I am alone (although it takes some psychological effort), but this doesn't happen with another person so it hurts if I try anything physical. I have tried everything my GP and others have suggested - lubricants, dilators, porn, other toys, etc. I still cannot enjoy normal sex. I think I'm just broken in that area and I am worried my partner will eventually leave, as he already points out other women and says he is finding this difficult with me.
I don't know if autism/aspergers and asexuality are related or not. I find a lot of things difficult, but have found ways to cope with most of these - I can hold down a proper job, higher education, talk to people at work or in public, etc. I do things a bit differently and need time to rest afterwards, but I have found ways to function without everyone thinking I am a total idiot. I'm pleased with that. Except for the sex thing. It's the one issue I haven't been able to solve yet.
Has anyone had any luck changing this? Any at all? I am open to all suggestions. I wouldn't mind my boyfriend having sex with a stranger as one-off encounters, but my concern is that many people bond through sex and he might end up leaving anyway if he formed an emotional attachment elsewhere. I'm really not sure what to do! : /
They have an understanding of boundaries that is different from you and what you call the general public. You imply that you have the RIGHT understanding of boundaries but that doesn't make your approach more rational. It is bigotry at best and arrogance of knowledge in the worst case. Better refrain from being pretentious.
I ask God for guidance and trust that He is 'in my corner' but I can't go in much longer - it's soul destroying and I am lost in every way.
How do I get past it?
Angelina Hocombe.
I am a chubby chaser a gay man who loves only large to overweight gay men. I know many straight autistic people. I seldom have sex because; I simply lack the social skills needed to have an intimate relationship.
I look good enough to have casual No Strings Attached sex if I wanted but, I don't want hook up sex. I was physically and mentally abused due to my autism growing up and hook up sex just opens me up to more abuse.
I'm afraid of having sex with a gay aspie because; NT's might think I'm taking advantage of someone who is cognitively disabled. Yeah I'm cognitively disabled too but, the legal system is a nightmare for people on the spectrum. I want gay sex with a big fat gay man but, for me sex is just not worth all the many risks that come with it.
Also previously I have failed to understand when men were interested in me and got into some very uncomfortable situations realising at the very last minute and panicking/bolting.
I would say to other Aspies, get a hobby you like, and try to see if any other people at that hobby are kind enough/gentle enough to befriend an Aspie. If that friendship is meant to grow into more, it will. Don't force things as from my experience it is very hard for an Aspie to deal with a bad relationship that can result from such forcing.
Sexuality is wonderful, beautiful, raw and primal, Sexual energy and creative energy are the same thing. In Western society we are still very repressed, it's quite sad.
"I'm a 25-year-old woman with Aspergers. Sexuality has always been a special interest, though I was a virgin until I was eighteen. I love sex so much that I became a sex worker."
I had to turn to sex workers when my wife stopped aexual contact. Through my Aspieness I alway gave the wrong signals which were then interpreted as me "not deserving sex". I am not bitter - actually I am still married to the same woman. Just my sex life is with other women, escorts, sex workers, whatever you want to call them. Actually I have a brilliant sex live since then. You may say I am kidding myself, but hey, why not try it yourself. Yes I pay money, but that's for not having to play the negotiating games, which can be tricky for many of us. Many of the escorts I have met are very intelligent, articulate, some might even be aspie. And they are good at sex.
Notice I don't talk about love - I very much miss that aspect, but I have made my choices ....
I hate this thing called asexuality, just for fact so many people who don't have sex are labeling themselves as asexuals.
There's not a lot scientific or medical research on it. It's only what AVEN or people who claim to be asexual want it to be. There's no clear definition what Asexuality really is. Just because AVEN or people claiming to be asexual say so, doesn't mean it's fact.
Right now it's a label people who are labeling themselves, because they want label for not having sex.
Not having sex doesn't need a label. According to AVEN anyone who is not having sex is asexual to them. Which is not true. There's many reasons why people don't have sex.
AVEN has no medical or scientific research on their site it just what they say. People should not automatically think they are asexual just because they don't have sex for whatever reason.
Before marrying I never had a long relationship as I usually got bored with my partners or I found a way to escape the relationship.
Socially I am clumsy but the sex issue strikes a chord.
Had lots before marriage but slowly lost interest as time wore on.
My wife is attractive and 16 yrs younger than me.
Issues came to a head the other day as websites I visited to satisfy my fetish became known to her.
I couldn't understand why I kept going back to these sites after already receiving counselling in the past 3 years.
I came to the inclusion that I don't handle stress well at all and depression followed.
Strains on our bank account due to wanting my wife to have her birthday cruise, Hawaii trip and interstate conference for her PT job.
I sought escape in these sites and obviously our sex life has suffered over the past 12 months.
I am seeking sex counselling to identify these triggers and minimize or eliminate this behaviour.
I offer no excuses but don't want this to happen again.
My actions were not intended to cause deliberate harm to my wife.
I don't know if this helps.
What also hurts is that since i was 19, i have been constantly rejected by the kind of women i want to date. I am starting to take rejections very poorly and it gets worse the longer i remain single, especially since i am someone who wants to get married and who wants to raise his own kids aka become a father, and not a step father.
I hope that the kind of women i want to date will finally look past whatever it is about me that they find unattractive and a turn off and just fall in love with me, date me, and marry me.
You are not a freak. When the time is right you will find a guy who should know you well enough (BC you should discuss sex b4 you do it) to not get freaked. Get yours! Women, in my opinion have an equal sex drive if they properly orgasm. So you are just a healthy person with a healthy sex drive.
"I hate this thing called asexuality, just for fact so many people who don't have sex are labeling themselves as asexuals. "
Why do you hate it? For the record, I love it that I finally have a working (sexual) identity: asexual.
Some asexuals are having sex, some are not. Some people who are not having sex are asexual, some are not. Why to care about it? :)
"There's not a lot scientific or medical research on it. It's only what AVEN or people who claim to be asexual want it to be. There's no clear definition what Asexuality really is. Just because AVEN or people claiming to be asexual say so, doesn't mean it's fact."
Are there clear definitions, based on scientific or medical research, about heterosexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality?
For the record, asexual is someone who feels little to no sexual attraction to any of the genders. Sexual attraction is a feeling that makes the person to desire a sexual contact with the person the attraction is felt towards.
Why is it suddenly so important to have a research on it? There is no scientific evidence of the existence of a god, but millions of people are still believing in god(s). I don't need a panel of professionals to tell me what is my sexuality. I think I know it better than anyone else on the planet. :)
"Right now it's a label people who are labeling themselves, because they want label for not having sex."
How do you explain the asexuals who are having sex? For the record, I am not one of them so I really can't speak for them, but there are quite plenty of them.
"Not having sex doesn't need a label. According to AVEN anyone who is not having sex is asexual to them. Which is not true. There's many reasons why people don't have sex."
Why do you think not having sex doesn't need a label? Does having sex need a label? Why?
I don't eat meat and I (sometimes/often) need a label for it: a vegetarian.
I don't drink alcohol and I (sometimes/often) need a label for for it: a teetotaler.
I am not a neurotypical person and I (sometimes/often) need a label for it: asperger.
I have never had sex and I (sometimes/often) need a label for it: a virgin.
I feel little to no sexual attraction and I (sometimes/often) need a label for it: asexual.
Having a label makes it easier to discuss it with other people.
"AVEN has no medical or scientific research on their site it just what they say. People should not automatically think they are asexual just because they don't have sex for whatever reason."
Why do you care so much what labels people use to describe themselves? What exactly is so worrying about the label "asexual"? Why does it not (obviously) worry you if someone labels himself/herself a heterosexual/homosexual? :)
There are asexuals who are having sex. There are also asexuals who have tried sex a couple of times and stopped having it after finding the identity. There are asexuals who have never had it.
Why would it be a bad thing? My social life has never been as good as it is now. Thanks to finding the asexual identity and asexual communities. I'm living in a city big enough to have a dozen of asexuals with the need to meet each other. I would be very alone without them.
I have been married 48 years.
having studied why people get divorces, and the human physiology that indicates that neither men nor women are created monogamous, I decided that there had to be a better way to stay married.
As a medical inventor, I have invented several international game changers such as the first infra red ear thermometer in use today all over the world. I am an extremely high functioning Aspie.
All my life I have been told that i was wrong, when, in fact, I was right.
I have a very high sex drive, and rather than go to prostitutes, I think that swinging at swing clubs provides a safer outlet for recreational sex than does other venues.
My wife is fine in bed once we are there. We have intercourse for 2 minutes, and then, and only then, does she get aroused.
I have a girlfriend go 6 years and of course, i immediately told my wife as did my girlfriend tell her husband. He too, is an Aspie, so he accepts the situation bu thinking pragmatically. neither she nor I wish to break up our marriages. She and I go to sex clubs when we can as she likes to go. My wife does not like to go, but she will attend as a supporter, but not as a real partner.
I enjoy touching. I do not like new people hugging me without my permission of course, but other that, I like touching.
I realize that I do not fit the usual description of an Aspie who does not like sex, but for me, perhaps because I used it as a 'special interest" as a young person, and continued as an adult, I am right and i get annoyed when others use their religion, or their community standards to make fun of me. They all have been divorced!
Once I discovered masturbating, I started looking up local dating sites (this before the days of the modern sites) and trying to find a local girl to meet up with or go on a date with, only to regret it afterward.
I had my first girlfriend/adult relationship in my mid 20s. I was:
- Emotionally overwhelmed and stressed out and even at the beginning when things were going well, I was asking friends for advice.
- Because of my social naivete I thought sex was like it is in movies and didn't realize that women can have just as dirty or dirtier minds than a lot of guys have.
- Even though the sex wasn't that good to me (as someone else mentioned, in fantasy, whatever happens, happens, but when you're sleeping with someone, it's messy, they might not be on the same page, have different turn-ons etc.) I become emotionally attached to her because of the closeness of it. I couldn't understand at the time how she could sleep with someone that she'd been spending a lot of time with like it meant nothing.
(I fully understand now...my ability to understand social situations and neurotypicals is better than it was then.)
Bottom line, even though at that moment I was fully aware that dating wasn't for me, my body still craved sex and affection since I'm a guy with already high testosterone and also manic.
I spent the past 7 or 8 years lived on dating sites...making hundreds of profiles. Making a profile, being on it for hours like a video game, messaging the same 20/30 local women, not saying anything inappropriate, then even if a girl wanted to meet, not going through with it,finally deleting the profile, feeling like crap because I'd relapsed once again. This happened too many times to count. Finally, a doctor admitted that it was a problem and put me on different meds, saying that low sex drive is a common side effect along with a better mood in general. It's helped the mood at times, at least more so than the last meds I was on, but my sex drive went up. Basically, instead of going on the dating sites, I've been masturbating up to 3 or 4 times a day (before it was maybe 2 or 3 times a month and even at times of hypersexuality, 2 or 3 times a week) and also worrying that the desire to go back on dating sites will come back anyway.
Bottom line...this is hell for me. I'm very intelligent but emotionally I'm a 12 year old at best. I really don't desire a sexual relationship with a woman, rather my body wants one because even though I'm emotionally undeveloped, I still have a man's sex drive, which leads to more depression. If there was an "off" button and I'd have no interest in women at all, I would have pressed it years ago. It feels like I'm going to have to live like this for the rest of my life.
I also have a lot more problem to deal with, but this is different because the other problems I can at least control.
Sadly, there is no cure, or even relief. It's also disappointing than I'm in my mid 30s. Doctors used to say "You're 25/26" blah blah blah. Part of me was hoping that as I aged, the desire would go away and it's only went up.
If there are any parents of sons with similar problems, and have had any luck in treatment, I'd love to hear.
I don't claim to be asexual btw. I'm just saying I have a reluctant sex drive and am at a loss of how to get rid of it or even moderate it. After doing a lot more reading on the subject about people with similar problems, the only "cures" have serious and sometimes permanent side-effects on your physical health.
A little update...what I've found on my new medicine is that my desire to be with a real life woman has disappeared, and in turn the dating site addiction, but my sex drive is still as high as ever even after masturbating.
What's happened as a result is that I value my relationship with my family and friends and realized that all along, no woman, romantically anyway, was ever necessary. I always had the support I needed; I just wasn't looking in the right places.
Casual dating and sex would also be too much for me because I'd read into it and get attached and have even more problems than I do now.
The problem is, male sex drive doesn't care about any of this or that I'm socially disabled. Your sex drive just wants you to have sex with lots of women, especially with the aspergers and bi-polar.
This ends up causing depression, knowing that I have to live with a sex drive that I don't want. Like I mentioned, I'm in my 30s, I'm not 19 years old or something, and my drive is just as strong as it was then.
It would be nice to hear from anyone reading this (as long as you have insight), because this has been the only blog I've found where this stuff is even discussed.
The short version is, I realize now that you can be physically and sexually attracted to women but know that the dating aspect is too much for you emotionally. It's stressful for even people who aren't depression prone.
I'm am sure you are tired of all the posts about sex by now. I'm sorry to add another to the list, but I have a question/discussion topic I wanted to present to your readers who manage to read through all the previous comments:
Aspie Ladies:
Do you have negative issues about performing oral sex on a man?
If so, how do you deal with pressure from your partner who wants you to perform orally?
Go ahead and answer, or continue reading to understand the background for my question...
•I panic when he pushes it too far in and I can't breathe. It's worse during 69. An instant way of inducing meltdown or anxiety attack.
•The feeling of it on my lips itches.
•The slickness of precum & ejaculate is slimy and makes me want to hurl.
•The flavor reminds me of a cross between dope (meth) and concentrated chlorine
•I feel emotionally unstable (like I'm gonna cry) when I do it, and have broken down before because of it.
•My ex made me feel like I "Have To" do it, and the more he pressured me or asked me to do it, the less I wanted to.
• It makes me feel disrespected, degraded and unloved.
-I'm starting a new relationship, and we are discussing our likes, dislikes, boundries and limits. I'm unsure about sharing this with him since we are talking about abstaining until marriage, but he has told me he would "like" to "play around" even if we don't go all the way, and I think most people place oral sex into the "play around" category.
*Any advice would be appreciated.
sometimes I feel jealous of him masturbating, because I wish so much he would desire me. I am really really willing to Lear what he likes and what turns him on, I told him many times, all he needs to do is express it to me in one way or another, but he doesn't.
I feel so frustrated because he does not understand me and my needs. He thinks I am a hysterical woman when I ask for a hug. I feel so frustrated, sometimes I want to leave, but I feel guilty for breaking his heart.
Can anybody help me how to get through to him?
#1 point - you are not ugly or undesirable! Read as much as you can specifically about Aspie's and how their behaviour can affect NTs. Then read about "reclaiming".
Have you tried listening to or reading work by Prof. Tony Attwood? Also, there's a wonderful forum & website called www.different-together.co.uk. Mark Hutten has some useful videos, recognising and acknowledging the feelings you experience.
Lack of interest in fashion is super normal in Aspie and, as long as she dresses appropriatly for school, job, interviews, etc, there's really no problem about it. I absolutely hated shopping as a kid and teen, but on my twenties it became one of my special interests for a while. I can dress pretty if I want to, but most of the time I prefer to just be comfortable and safe.
I didn't leave my parents house to go live with a boyfriend, I left to go live on my own. Now I live with my boyfriend. Just give her time :)
Recently I connected online with a guy whom I discovered has aspergers as well. Our chats quickly evolved into him him begging to masterbate to my nakedness on cam. At first this was exciting as I'd never done it before. however, it quickly because very one sided and I felt used. Then he made crass joke about women being as common as toilets. That was it, I discontinued most communication, esp sexual.
So I'm confused, why do these people want relationships at all?! What are they expecting to get from one?? They have strange explosive anger, well that is an emotion, so if you have that emotion, why don't you have the emotion of empathy? How do you have some emotions and not other? I also thought both these men had empathy since expressed deep concerns about human rights in general.
Have any of you experienced your AS partner (or if you are AS, have you done this yourself) expressing his or her positive feelings through solely sexual means?
For example, my AS boyfriend and I sometimes communicate by email about important topics (like the relationship or how he feels about himself, which is sometimes self-doubting for reasons I’m sure you can understand). Recently he was feeling dejected and concerned about himself (he is undiagnosed but believes he has AS), and expressed these worries in a self-reflective and vulnerable email to me. I replied with a loving letter stating that I understood his worries, and then I went on to detail how much I enjoyed those very aspects of his personality, how much I like his uniqueness, and how much I admire specific attributes. I provided examples and used logic throughout.
He replied with seven words: “Wow, that email really turned me on.”
I know he is not joking. I’m sure my email felt good to him. But as an NT, I found his response utterly stunning. At the same time, I realise there is a lot more going on underneath the surface—underneath his awareness of feeling sexually aroused by my non-sexual message.
What do you think is happening here?
Thanks in advance!
SG
These people who act like that (not to be confused with every Aspie!) probably want to *use* other people for whatever, *without* making anything better for the other people too.
People with aspergers are all different and feel things differently from each other. Humans all need interaction but the internet allows people to be more anonymous. I've met loads of NT people just as awful.
I am a widow in my seventies UK based. I met a man my age on line and we started a relationship which was amazing sexually . That was nearly 2 years ago and we have been seeing each other regularly. However he lives 50 miles away and is in the process of moving to my place. He seems to tick a lot of the boxes regarding Aspergers,
I couldnt make him out at all at first, He was in a rented house having been divorced
and it was in such a state as he is a hoarder, Then he moved a lot of stuff in to my spare room and garage which he is tidying slowly, He seemed so keen on me at first but that tailed off and around last Christmas I found out he had been emailing women online with very explicit messages. Then he met someone in Lidl around that time and was pursuing her when he had to get out of his rented place and moved stuff here. He still has lots of stuff and is sorting it somehow while staying with friends but I dont trust him even though he swears nothing happened . He says I wanted to help him especially as he makes such a mess of everything; wires crossed all the time, disputes with the mobile provider, the car tax authority etc etc. I lent him my husbands car for over a year but he seems to think that is his right.
In the end I took it off the road and sold it.
Regarding sex he has funny kinky ideas I am finding. He is definitely not normal you could say. Though he is a wonderful lover I must admit. Because I was unhappy in my marriage for years I fell for his charm and good looks LOL ! I hadnt had sex for many years and this was/is amazing. I havent confronted him about the other women as we are not married and I dont think anything happened, He seems to be a fantasist, which I told him and he got really annoyed. The bottom line is; I cant find anyone else at my age and dont really want to try.
He enjoys receiving oral sex but no head in the mouth, due to overstimulation, no sucking.
Any advice, is there a chance he will get "desensitized" with time/touching/practice and he will be able to receive BJ?
He will not give me oral, first stated he does not like hair in his mouth, so I got Brazilian wax, still he will not go down on me. When I asked why not he responded "it does not occur to me"
If his excuse is simply that it didn't occur to him, then it sounds like he's saying that it's forgetfulness. That being the case, you can call his bluff by making a night of things. Make it a planned night where sex itself is not the object and direct him to exactly where you want him.
If oral is completely out of the question for him, then at least help him to use his hands. That way he'll start to get an understanding of what he needs to do.
It might work.
As to his own sensitivities, I expect that in time these will reduce a little.
There is nothing as enjoyable and deeply satisfying as coming inside a partner. The sensual pleasure of feeling a warm soft body during sex is far better than masturbating which has been most of the sex I've had during my life. I agree about the "grip" thing desensitizing one. My first intercourse at the age of 24 highlighted the differences starkly; I couldn't believe how "loose" she was. What I've found is that the best time to be had is when you are pressing together and NOT doing a lot of in-and-out like porn does. Being relaxed helps a lot. When the romantic-feelings connection is there and you are staying pressed close a time comes (npi) when you simply lose control and the orgasm is almost automatic. It is indescribably satisfying. It isn't forced. And according to what one of my few lovers told me, it is better for her too as you are actively stimulating her sensitive parts.